Peter Green-Gary Moore

[yeti]

I'd really appreciate if someone would please apply their brainpower and explain to a mere mortal sceptic like myself why magnetically out of phase (effects polarity of the AC signal, nothing more) should sound any different than electronically out-of-phase (effects polarity of the AC signal, nothing more). A sound demo illustrating this hypothesis would be awesome.
I'm ready to be enlightened.

 

[Midnight Blues]

If only I knew yeti? If only I knew...

 

[GeeJay]

I'd really appreciate if someone would please apply their brainpower and explain to a mere mortal sceptic like myself why magnetically out of phase (effects polarity of the AC signal, nothing more) should sound any different than electronically out-of-phase (effects polarity of the AC signal, nothing more). A sound demo illustrating this hypothesis would be awesome.
I'm ready to be enlightened.

When you flip the magnets, the trons are flipped at the same time. Whereas if it's just wired out of phase, the trons are still the same way up. Simples...

 

[yeti]

I think this needs to be studied further, preferably by someone of high academic standing. I recommend zoologist Hynek Burda of Germany's University of Duisburg-Essen due to his groundbreaking research on how dogs align with the earth's magnetic field when they poop.

 

[FirstTrain]

+1 - his voice is important as his guitar work to me!!

The def of a true bluesman... the voice. Kid could sing!

 

[AHGrayLensman]

“In a dual-pickup setting where each humbucker has its own volume pot, you can bleed the relative phase shift to create timbres ranging from a piercing howl to a subtle treble boost.”

But as Ellis points out, the resulting tone isn’t the same that you get from wiring humbuckers out of phase. It seems that magnetically out-of-phase pickups are responsive to pitch, creating an entirely different sort of sound.

“Oddly, the resulting sound is sweeter and more musical than what you get from wiring humbuckers out of phase,” Ellis writes. “Magnetically generated phase shift seems to respond to pitch changes—the higher the note, the more pronounced the effect. Chords and bass notes don’t have the thin, shrill sound of out-of-phase wiring, yet high notes played on the top strings have a pronounced hollow cry.”

Quoted for "How the [*censored*] does that work?"

 

[Midnight Blues]

Quoted for "How the [*censored*] does that work?"

Excellent question AHGL! I'd have to defer to GeeJay. All I know is that I have "Bare Knuckle PG Blues" pups in my '76 Deluxe and when I set the selector switch in the middle position and the volume pots are set equally, I get that tone!

 

[tele09]

I've always thought Green had just a bit better tone, maybe because it's more dynamic to me.

 

[NimrodPiles]

If you reference this thread....

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/vin...moore-burst-sans-neck-pickup.html#post6945922

You will learn the truth about the PG neck pickup.

Peter broke it in his 'experiments' taking it out and fiddling about.

It was fixed and one coil was re-wound by Sam Li in his workshop Gerrard St Soho London UK.

The pickup lead was replaced with a lead that was covered in grey plastic as many pictures on the web show.

It has nothing to do with the pickup being reversed in the routing, it has nothing to do with a reversed magnet, the new coil was just re-connected in the wrong way.

Mr Danzig must have been ocularly challenged to have missed that the pickup had a completely wrong output lead fitted.

Charlie Chandler knows this guitar inside out and will probably confirm the Sam Li story, as will Cookie Boy here.

I was a gigging guitar player in London, working for Marshalls, in the late 60s and the Sam Li story was confirmed by several people who knew him.

I can confirm from personal experience that Sam's work with electrics and soldering was rather second rate.

BUT Sam Li was great with fretwork and general repairs but his work on wiring was not fantastic but there was nobody better working on pickups/circuitry in London at that time.

Some of here now, were there then and our memories of this stuff are undimmed.

 

[Cookie-boy]

Mmmm.....semi-undimmed!!

 

[NimrodPiles]

Mmmm.....semi-undimmed!!

But still glimmering and not oer'shadowed by BS from other quarters.