Out of phase, how???

[Rodolphe]

Well, well,
I would like to add an "out of phase" feature to my Les paul...

It is a stock Trad Pro 50s neck with stock coil splitting push/pulls.
I am really willing to have an out of phase sound but i've read so many things on the net about that that I really don't know how to do it for it to sound good and non instrusive for the guitar.

1st , i dont like how a reversed pick up looks like greeny.

So I was wondering:
should i just reverse the magnet in one of the 2 pick ups
Should I add another push pull with a specific wiring for it to allow to switch between standard / out of phase ?

the problem with reversed magnet is that if i want the classic sound I need to reverse it and it's not something you can do in 30 seconds...


Here is the actual wiring :



can someone help me find the best solution to get a good out of phase sound out of my LP?

 

[Rodolphe]

Thanks in advance

 

[Clyngedal]

You could change the wiring so that one of the push-pulls does the coilsplitting on both pickups, and the other does out of phase

 

[Rodolphe]

i have thought about this, but that would mean i could not use 1 pick up split with another one not split on the middle position. that's not a huge problem anyway.

the other thing is that I really don't know how to wire this "out of phase" thing with a push pull, and which pick up to set out of phase (neck or bridge) and so on...
i' a rooke concerning out of phase things...

anyway thanks for the idea

 

[MrRhoads]

You might need yourself a Jimmy Page Harness 21 tones and the fun begins in the middle position
I can split and do out-of-phase or just one of them or what ever i wan´t...
This harness was made by forum member Jonesy and should you feel you need less tones then 21 Jonesy is an expert of custom building harness´s.
Feel fre to contact him at jonesyblues@yahoo.com
Here´s my Les Paul with the Jimmy Page harness

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjlaegUhhHQ]Jimmy Page harnes 21 tone options - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Rodolphe]

Well I have inverted the hot red wire and black on the neck pot to see the result in the middle position, and i can't really say I like it.
it sounds like a duck in a tin can.
so i guess out of phase is not for me.

 

[beanx]

im no pro. but i dont think what you did is right. Just take out the neck pickup, and push the magnent out and flip it then see if you like that sound, it takes about 20minutes to do if your careful i did it on mine and it sounds great it gives you a les twangy rock blues tone for sure. Here is the video on youtube i followed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyibi1TCr1E]How to Peter Green Mod a Les Paul Style Guitar - YouTube[/ame]

just follow what this guy does, loosen all your strings, pull off your tail peice and pull out that pickup, it doesnt say int he video but i losened the screws on the top of the pickup and the screws on the bottom and it made the magnet a little easier to push out. It would only take an hour of your time and then you would get the real deal, then if you like it im sure jonsey or someone could instruct you on how to actually wire it up out of phase if you wanted it to be.



*EDIT*
idk what kinda pickups the dude in the video has but his guitar sounds pretty weird to me, mine didnt sound anything like that idk if he is using a shitty amp or what but mine sounds just like any good peter green song youd listen to.

 

[Rodolphe]

Ok, I know how to flip the magnet as i already tried various ones on a previous guitar 5alnico 2 & 4 on a boutique Pick up).
do you have an exemple of the sound it gives?

 

[beanx]

yea give me about 15minutes ill pos somethin up, i gotta change a diaper rofl..

 

[Rodolphe]

Ok, thanks!

What I don't get is if Peter green lp has fliped magnet and reversed pick up, it shouldn't be out of phase???

 

[beanx]

do you want clean or crunchy sounding?

 

[Rodolphe]

Both if possible,
thanks

 

[beanx]

flipping the actual pickup doesnt do anything thats just for looks. the way the pickup is wired flipping the magnet reverses the way everything works. When people flip their pickups to look like peter greens guitar its all for looks it doesnt do anything for tone

 

[Rodolphe]

Ah ok,
I think it looks really strange with the pick up reversed, so that's fine for me if I just have to reverse the magnet

 

[Rodolphe]

When the neck PU is used alone, does it change something?

 

[beanx]

ok this is just a scale, first played with my bridge pickup, then the second time with the guitar out of phase both tone pots at 10 and volume at 10

Clean
Recording-20120325-151900 by Aaron Bean 1 on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Clean Out of phase (Excuse my playing)
http://soundcloud.com/aaron-bean-1/recording-20120325-152107

distorted bridge pickup first, then out of phase second.
http://soundcloud.com/aaron-bean-1/recording-20120325-152226

out of phase (excuse my playing again)
http://soundcloud.com/aaron-bean-1/recording-20120325-152321

* all of this was recorded with a shitty cellphone btw lol*

 

[beanx]

if you just use the neck pickup with the mod done, its not as noticable buit it does sound kinda nasely but you can really here it with both pickups selected

 

[Rodolphe]

Well, you mean, in the middle of the take you switch to middle position?
i's strange as it doesn't sound like a mid position i'm used to on gibson.
what are the Pick ups in your lp?

 

[beanx]

there you go everythings uploaded. the sound is alot more noticable in person for sure. sounds way better. But maybe its just not for you. Id just try it and see tho you never know.

 

[beanx]

Well, you mean, in the middle of the take you switch to middle position?
i's strange as it doesn't sound like a mid position i'm used to on gibson.
what are the Pick ups in your lp?

yeah the first time i play the scale that is with my bridge pickup, then the second time is out of phase in the middle position with volume and tone nobs on 10. Its an epiphone les paul with a jonseyblues 50s kit, seymour duncan slash alnico pro 2 pickups the amp is a epiphone galaxie 10 with an upgraded speaker and the distorted stuff is through a boss ds1 pedal into the amp.