Other than the headstock logo, why do Chibsons get so much hate?

[leonardygunawan.lg]

idk never tried one, but slash inspired me to play counterfeit guitars made by local luthiers
Cheaper than chibson but better

 

[GermHerm]

Chibsons are counterfeits. That is the problem. They claim to be 100%-Lookalikes of a Gibson (e.g. Les Paul). So they are fakes.
I have no problems with Chinese Instruments, like Eastman and others or "in China produced"-instruments. Other companies try not to claim their instruments are "the real deal". That is a huge difference to fake Gibsons = Chibsons.

 

[L3rxst]

No, sorry guys you are , mainly, wrong. Chibsons, for the money, are generally very very good.
No the are not as good as Gibsons. Se they good for the money that they sell for? Really?
I have had a number of Chibson Les Paul types, Firebirds and 335/355s and with a bit of work, like all sub £300 guitars, they are great. People buy them because they cannot afford or don't want to be ripped off on an over-priced original.
Now I expect to get shot down in bits for this comment, but I make my claims from true experience. Can you say that or are you just repeating what everyone else has told you?

 

[shickma0]

I think it is more perceived quality.

MIJ LPs are considered higher quality due to manufacturing. This shows in their appointments as well as materials. These have there own company logo on the open headstock.

Chibson I think are perceived as a quick way to sell to the market as counterfeit (open book Gibson logo). Materials and manufacturing are preceived as low due to this image. I don't actually know if the materials are worse I don't own one.

I own/have owned over a dozen Gibsons, a couple of Epiphones and 1 chibson. The chibson was measurably worse than even the worst Epiphone and didn’t even come close to a Gibson. It’s currently sitting without a neck in my workshop where I scavenge it for parts lol.

 

[KStopper65]

People buy them because they cannot afford or don't want to be ripped off on an over-priced original.

This I cannot agree with.
If you cannot afford something, I do not believe it is ethical to purchase counterfeits.
I can live wit people only doing this, but when they sell these for the prices of Gibsons, thats way over the line

 

[leonardygunawan.lg]

This I cannot agree with.
If you cannot afford something, I do not believe it is ethical to purchase counterfeits.
I can live wit people only doing this, but when they sell these for the prices of Gibsons, thats way over the line

If someone seek to buy gibson in the used market and can't even tell chibson from gibson, he's definitely an idiot with lots of money and he deserved to get scammed.

 

[dixierocker]

The real reason Chibsons are hated? Because the Chinese rip off everybody and everything, there isn't anything they haven't stolen and are mass producing without the permission of the patent/copywrite owner.Basically they are theives and are stealing the intellectual property of honest people and selling it like they own the rights, The ultimate insult!
Most idiots that purchase this Chinese CRAP somehow have this fantasy that they are buying the real deal, just take a look at the fools who post the unboxing of their Chibsons and repeatedly rattle off that their brand new so and so model Gibson guitar has just arrived and they are drooling at the prospect of opening this TURD with a brand name on the headstock!!! These guitars are not Les Pauls or SG's or anything even near an Epiphone, The Chinese are scraping the bottom of the barrel folks and some morons fail to realize thay are nothing but substandard garbage and purchase one anyway. If they can sell you a suck ass replica of a brand name guitar for $399 just by putting a prestigous guitar makers logo on t-it, exactly how much money do you think it cost them to build it??? They're laughing all the way to the bank suckers!!! So what it really comes down to is ethics, if you feel comfortable financing the CCP and can have a clear conscience buying something so blatantly counterfit, and have no problem lying to your fellow musicians by misrepresenting your new guitar as a real Gibson or any other brand name product and you can sleep at night knowing that the one person you're really deceiving is yourself, more power to you "Sparky" I'll bet you would even tell your mate that the cubic zirconia wedding ring you bought for him/her is really a diamond!!! (They'll never know). What's the content of your character???

 

[RedSkwirrell]

First of all, you don't even need to have "Gibson" written on the headstock, plus, you can get a replica out of every existing guitar, you don't need to settle for the model/finish of whatever Gibson/Epiphone offers, you just need to ask for it.

Cheers.

A very good point.
I appreciate you posting this.
To thank you, I am prepared to sell you my $800,000 22 carat gold ingot for just $1,000.
Pure gold.
Definitely not a brick painted gold.

 

[KStopper65]

If someone seek to buy gibson in the used market and can't even tell chibson from gibson, he's definitely an idiot with lots of money and he deserved to get scammed.

Why?
So everyone should just go crazy and accumulate enough knowledge to figure out the differences?
What if it's someones blind, or can't play the guitar before buying?
Regardless of knowledge, everyone should be entitled to fair sales, and just because they are unable to differentiate between an original and a counterfeit doesn't mean that they deserve to be scammed

 

[leonardygunawan.lg]

Why?
So everyone should just go crazy and accumulate enough knowledge to figure out the differences?
What if it's someones blind, or can't play the guitar before buying?
Regardless of knowledge, everyone should be entitled to fair sales, and just because they are unable to differentiate between an original and a counterfeit doesn't mean that they deserve to be scammed

Well guess what buddy?
We don't live in a perfect world where all the good guys win, and villain loose.
Same case with scams, counterfeits, etc.

 

[Freddy G]

Yes, the issue at hand is the fact that they are counterfeits. That's the bottom line. It's criminal.
And for all those that defend China.....give your heads a shake. China is a bad actor, they steal intellectual property, they have no regard for human rights. They are communists....I'm taking about the government. I know good Chinese people, that's not what I'm talking about. Why would you give them any business whatsoever. Have you all forgotten the devastation they wreaked on the world with their virus?

Let's take another tack here.....regarding counterfeits. And it's the elephant in the room I think.
It's easy to pick on the Chinese counterfeits.....but what about the high end ones? There are people on this very forum that are well respected builders...even having gone so far as to accurately document the builds in threads. And yes....they put "Gibson" on the headstocks (and are coy about not showing THAT in pictures.....but we all know it) and sell them for premium dollars. Everyone knows who they are, and yet not a peep. That's OK with you guys?

 

[Danelectro]

My friend asked for my opinion about buying a Chinese-made Les Paul copy and I told him don't waste his money. We'll he bought one anyway.

This is the listing for the guitar that he ordered. In the photo it looks just like a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul (because the photo is of a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul).

Three weeks later he invited me over for the unboxing. The guitar was shipped in a Styrofoam clamshell wrapped in three miles of packing tape. The Les Paul on the stand is one of mine that he asked me to bring over so that we could do an A-B comparison.

Here's the guitar he received, which of course looks nothing like the website photo.

Upon pulling the guitar out of the case, the first quality flaw was revealed. The jack and plate were missing. It wasn't loose in the case, it was just gone. Apparently the QA inspector was out on a smoke break when this guitar came down the line.

Horrible fretwork. The frets appear to be made of brass.

No need to worry about the strings jumping out of the nut slots:

Time to inspect the electronics. Oh wait a minute, poly paint was applied after the switch plate was installed. I had to cut through the poly with an X-acto knife in order to remove the cover.

The cover has foam spacers, apparently because the recessed pocket was too deep.

Control cavity. Cheap pots and wiring. Notice that the electronics are coated in poly

Nice tight-fitting neck joint

This must be a tone-enhancing gap. Also notice that the pickguard was sawn so that it would fit around the ring.

The website listed the guitar as a Jimmy Page model, but it has a "Custom Shop" Duane Allman serial number:

I soldered a jack onto the guitar so that we could try it out. The pickups are the worst I've ever heard in any guitar. At low volume they were thin and anemic sounding and when the volume increased into overdrive territory they squealed like a stuck pig. Totally unusable for anything.

Long story short, the guitar looks like a Gibson Les Paul from a distance , but otherwise its a piece of crap. An Epiphone is light years better than this guitar.

 

[KStopper65]

It's easy to pick on the Chinese counterfeits.....but what about the high end ones? There are people on this very forum that are well respected builders...even having gone so far as to accurately document the builds in threads. And yes....they put "Gibson" on the headstocks (and are coy about not showing THAT in pictures.....but we all know it) and sell them for premium dollars. Everyone knows who they are, and yet not a peep. That's OK with you guys?

No.
Even if Les Paul himself hand made me a Gibson using a log of wood that Greeny and Pagey were made out of with the first set of humbuckers Seth Lover wound, I wouldn't keep it.
I'm sure Les would be nice enough to change the headstock logo tho

 

[KStopper65]

My friend asked for my opinion about buying a Chinese-made Les Paul copy and I told him don't waste his money. We'll he bought one anyway.

This is the listing for the guitar that he ordered. In the photo it looks just like a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul (because the photo is of a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul).



Three weeks later he invited me over for the unboxing. The guitar was shipped in a Styrofoam clamshell wrapped in three miles of packing tape. The Les Paul on the stand is one of mine that he asked me to bring over so that we could do an A-B comparison.



Here's the guitar he received, which of course looks nothing like the website photo.



Upon pulling the guitar out of the case, the first quality flaw was revealed. The jack and jack plate were missing. It wasn't loose in the case, it was just gone. Apparently the QA inspector was out for a smoke break when this guitar came down the line.





Horrible fretwork. The frets appear to be made of brass.





He won't have to worry about the strings jumping out of the nut slots:

Time to inspect the electronics. Oh wait a minute, poly paint was applied after switch plate was installed. I had to cut through the poly with an X-acto knife in order to remove the cover.

The cover has foam spacers, apparently because the recessed pocket was too deep.

Control cavity. Cheap pots and wiring. Notice that the electronics are coated in poly

Nice tight-fitting neck joint

This must be a tone-enhancing gap. Also notice that the pickguard was sawn so that it would fit around the ring.

The website listed the guitar as a Jimmy Page model, but it has a "Custom Shop" Duane Allman serial number:

I soldered a jack onto the guitar so that we could try it out. The pickups are the worst I've ever heard in any guitar. At low volume they were thin and anemic sounding and when the volume increased into overdrive territory they squealed like a stuck pig. Totally unusable for anything.

Long story short, the guitar looks like a Gibson Les Paul from a distance , but otherwise its a piece of crap. An Epiphone is light years better than this guitar.

This is disgusting.
I've found and upgraded Epiphone Standards for less than this

 

[leonardygunawan.lg]

My friend asked for my opinion about buying a Chinese-made Les Paul copy and I told him don't waste his money. We'll he bought one anyway.

This is the listing for the guitar that he ordered. In the photo it looks just like a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul (because the photo is of a Custom Shop Gibson Les Paul).



Three weeks later he invited me over for the unboxing. The guitar was shipped in a Styrofoam clamshell wrapped in three miles of packing tape. The Les Paul on the stand is one of mine that he asked me to bring over so that we could do an A-B comparison.



Here's the guitar he received, which of course looks nothing like the website photo.



Upon pulling the guitar out of the case, the first quality flaw was revealed. The jack and jack plate were missing. It wasn't loose in the case, it was just gone. Apparently the QA inspector was out for a smoke break when this guitar came down the line.





Horrible fretwork. The frets appear to be made of brass.





He won't have to worry about the strings jumping out of the nut slots:

Time to inspect the electronics. Oh wait a minute, poly paint was applied after switch plate was installed. I had to cut through the poly with an X-acto knife in order to remove the cover.

The cover has foam spacers, apparently because the recessed pocket was too deep.

Control cavity. Cheap pots and wiring. Notice that the electronics are coated in poly

Nice tight-fitting neck joint

This must be a tone-enhancing gap. Also notice that the pickguard was sawn so that it would fit around the ring.

The website listed the guitar as a Jimmy Page model, but it has a "Custom Shop" Duane Allman serial number:

I soldered a jack onto the guitar so that we could try it out. The pickups are the worst I've ever heard in any guitar. At low volume they were thin and anemic sounding and when the volume increased into overdrive territory they squealed like a stuck pig. Totally unusable for anything.

Long story short, the guitar looks like a Gibson Les Paul from a distance , but otherwise its a piece of crap. An Epiphone is light years better than this guitar.

This guitar is a complete garbage

Edit: And that disturbing 3 pieces flame top just gave me instant anxiety.

 

[Freddy G]

My friend asked for my opinion about buying a Chinese-made Les Paul copy and I told him don't waste his money. We'll he bought one anyway.

If there was ever a time to laugh in your friend's face and call him a fool.....

 

[Roxy13]

Yes, the issue at hand is the fact that they are counterfeits. That's the bottom line. It's criminal.
And for all those that defend China.....give your heads a shake. China is a bad actor, they steal intellectual property, they have no regard for human rights. They are communists....I'm taking about the government. I know good Chinese people, that's not what I'm talking about. Why would you give them any business whatsoever. Have you all forgotten the devastation they wreaked on the world with their virus?

Let's take another tack here.....regarding counterfeits. And it's the elephant in the room I think.
It's easy to pick on the Chinese counterfeits.....but what about the high end ones? There are people on this very forum that are well respected builders...even having gone so far as to accurately document the builds in threads. And yes....they put "Gibson" on the headstocks (and are coy about not showing THAT in pictures.....but we all know it) and sell them for premium dollars. Everyone knows who they are, and yet not a peep. That's OK with you guys?

I've asked about that as it seems a contradiction.

 

[fra619]

I Like my headstock logo....FRAZIER

 

[KStopper65]

I Like my headstock logo....FRAZIER View attachment 512947

Yes. This is what one should do while buying a guitar from aliexpress

 

[fra619]

Body