Online shopping sales tax

Zungle

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This discussion could go the wrong direction in a real hurry, must resist…

And remember.....the big guy is taking care of things else where right now, so extra care should be taken to keep things clean and by the book.

Its the least we can do......
 

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THIS.



But not this.
To avoid getting "political" I will summon my most basic lesson on Liberty from the high school government and economics classes I taught:
True and lasting liberty does not come from one central government in The Swamp issuing sweeping, blanket edicts with no accountability.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but allowing every little municipality to set its own rules is absolutely the way to go. The people who live there have a chance of changing anything they don't like.
The idea of subsidiarity, allowing decisions to be made at the lowest possible level by people actually involved and directly affected, is a central idea in what our Founders wisely imagined.

Example: Mayberry, RFD has a handful of officials in their tiny rural town.
But federal laws applying to EVERYTHING they do, with the costs that come with it all?
Do we need a federal regulation specifying what color shirt the dog catcher should wear? Is he law enforcement, or a utility worker?

How about this?
The dog catcher's shirts are old and stained and threadbare. His wife has been sewing them up, but he has had to wear his personal shirts a few times just to get through the day.
So finally the lady who is the secretary to the mayor and the sheriff, as well as the county clerk in the court house, notices and says "We need to get you some new shirts. What do you want?"

He tells her, the mayor signs off on it, and she orders them.

DONE.

Once every rule, law, or executive order that affects and controls your life comes from the federal level, you have ZERO chance of changing it.
We have a "Federal Department of" every damned thing you can think of now, with federal enforcement and prosecutorial capabilities, not to mention the accompanying unbridled enthusiasm in the millions of well-compensated employees who are usually anonymous and almost always immune to prosecution.

Take it from the guy who as been asked to leave city hall meetings and school board meetings for publicly asking difficult questions of appointed and ESPECIALLY elected leaders in my community.
When the deputy is directed to escort you out, shut up, smile, and cooperate. You will be able to resume your efforts tomorrow, with the support of every witness in the meeting.

At the local level, if you don't like something, there's still a good chance you can get it changed.
Or ultimately, get a bureaucratic moron removed from his position.

It's not a perfect system, but it's still the best.


Old man here, when I was a kid there was a show on CBS TV in 1964 called "Slatterys People" Richard Crenna played a Senator or representative I think, anyway during the intro the voice over said "Democracy is a very bad form of government, but all the others are so much worse" for some reason that quote stuck with me. I know, we are technically a Republic but you get the gist. Currently we are in the extra bad form but a lot of the bad ones are getting REALLY old hopefully a new crop will be a better bet but I'm not that enthused. I do know where my prop tax goes the others not so much.
 

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How about we cut spending instead? The Feds should only be doing and spending on things the constitution says is their bailiwick. Whatever happened to limited gov’t and the 10th amendment…was it repealed secretly?

What????? Cut spending? How unamerican.
 
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You guys should be thankful you got away with no tax for so many years. I'm In Canada and we've always had to pay sales tax on on-line buys.

How does it work down there, do you pay your home state tax, or tax from the other state? We pay home province.

county tax 7.8% here
 

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Dude went there…

Of course he did. Missed Friday, too.
He never showed much horse sense upthread anyways.
Dude's lucky Dave's eye is on more serious matters this weekend. Vic'll just pun the hell out of him and Rob will confuse him a whole bunch, but those two aren't as jaded as ol' Dave and won't put in the boot as quick.
 

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And remember.....the big guy is taking care of things else where right now, so extra care should be taken to keep things clean and by the book.

Its the least we can do......

I tried....I really did.....:dunno:
 

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Again, I understand where the money goes and what it is used for. The only thing I was saying was that when they started collecting it for online sales, it had to be a tremendous amount of money that started flowing in almost overnight. I thought it would have been enough money in a short period of time that it would’ve been enough to make some serious upgrades and improvements, but it looks like everything is rolling along at the usual pace. I guess you can give unlimited amounts of money to government at every level, and they will mostly waste it. There is no dollar amount that would make a big enough difference for us to really notice.

In my understanding, states were allowed to begin re-capturing the tax revenues that would have been captured in local cash registers, from the major retailers who ship interstate via e-commerce.

and This only happened a couple yers ago, to begin supplanting the lost local revenues. It is likely not a net gain for most states in any way. And, any retailer shipping below a certain threshold is not required to remit taxes to your state.

You can google your state’s budget (in Illinois they actually post an itemized Excel file you can download) and you can also see what your state’s threshold is to require reporting and remit from other states shipping to yours.

 

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In my understanding, states were allowed to begin re-capturing the tax revenues that would have been captured in local cash registers, from the major retailers who ship interstate via e-commerce.

and This only happened a couple yers ago, to begin supplanting the lost local revenues. It is likely not a net gain for most states in any way. And, any retailer shipping below a certain threshold is not required to remit taxes to your state.

You can google your state’s budget (in Illinois they actually post an itemized Excel file you can download) and you can also see what your state’s threshold is to require reporting and remit from other states shipping to yours.


Destination based sales tax has been around for decades...

Washington State has been using interstate destination sales tax since the early 1990's....

Washington began using intrastate destination sales tax.....also known as streamlined sales tax since July 2008...........

I tried to fight the interstate law with counsel in 1997 and was advised to forget about it......
 

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How about we cut spending instead?
KSG, I’m tellin’ ya, no one is listening to that silliness.
Neither party in the legislature is.

And definitely no one in any of the massive “deep state” agencies under the executive branch.

EDIT: I removed a ton of stuff from this post after the warning from my friend Chango Malo in the very next post.

TWO THINGS we haven’t tried yet would do it, if done together and we stayed with it.
1.
No more exemptions.
No deductions.
A single consistent tax rate on income across the board.
EVERYONE pays the income tax.

2.
Set a tax rate high enough to pay off the entire national debt in 3 years - or within the term of a single president.
once the debt is eliminated, lower the tax rate to a constant 125% of the entire national budget and spending to maintain a “rainy day” buffer because…. well …. it’s always going to rain.

We never let a crisis go to waste.
 
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Chango Malo

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yer momma told you you was... special... didn't she?

Your going to want to tread very very softly with the politics talk. This is me doing you a favor. You really should isnay on the oliticspay, ese.
 

Leee

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:hmm:

Hmmmmmm….

Yeah, going back and looking at that whole thing objectively, despite the fact I seek to sow no seeds of division nor choose one partisan side over the other, I guess I can see where someone could ignore the intent and simply cry “politics!”

Point taken.
And I appreciate the subtle hint.

By the way, it was my older sister that always told me I was special.
I just figured she was jealous.

:slap:
 

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