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I don't feel like I pay less for having kids,.. I'm pretty sure I pay a whole lot more... maybe not taxes, but everything else.

That's the Kid Tax.
 

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I think that sales and consumption taxes are a lot more fair/ethical/moral and democratic than are income taxes. The state has a sales tax around 6% and counties and municipalities can charge additional taxes, but sales tax cannot exceed 8.25% overall.

Here in Texas, sales taxes and property taxes go into the general fund and are used to pay for hospitals, schools, police, fire and some infrastructure. There is no income tax here, so sales taxes, franchise fees, fuel taxes and property taxes pay for everything.

All taxes are evil, but some are less so. IMHO.
 

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THIS.



But not this.
To avoid getting "political" I will summon my most basic lesson on Liberty from the high school government and economics classes I taught:
True and lasting liberty does not come from one central government in The Swamp issuing sweeping, blanket edicts with no accountability.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but allowing every little municipality to set its own rules is absolutely the way to go. The people who live there have a chance of changing anything they don't like.
The idea of subsidiarity, allowing decisions to be made at the lowest possible level by people actually involved and directly affected, is a central idea in what our Founders wisely imagined.

Example: Mayberry, RFD has a handful of officials in their tiny rural town.
But federal laws applying to EVERYTHING they do, with the costs that come with it all?
Do we need a federal regulation specifying what color shirt the dog catcher should wear? Is he law enforcement, or a utility worker?

How about this?
The dog catcher's shirts are old and stained and threadbare. His wife has been sewing them up, but he has had to wear his personal shirts a few times just to get through the day.
So finally the lady who is the secretary to the mayor and the sheriff, as well as the county clerk in the court house, notices and says "We need to get you some new shirts. What do you want?"

He tells her, the mayor signs off on it, and she orders them.

DONE.

Once every rule, law, or executive order that affects and controls your life comes from the federal level, you have ZERO chance of changing it.
We have a "Federal Department of" every damned thing you can think of now, with federal enforcement and prosecutorial capabilities, not to mention the accompanying unbridled enthusiasm in the millions of well-compensated employees who are usually anonymous and almost always immune to prosecution.

Take it from the guy who as been asked to leave city hall meetings and school board meetings for publicly asking difficult questions of appointed and ESPECIALLY elected leaders in my community.
When the deputy is directed to escort you out, shut up, smile, and cooperate. You will be able to resume your efforts tomorrow, with the support of every witness in the meeting.

At the local level, if you don't like something, there's still a good chance you can get it changed.
Or ultimately, get a bureaucratic moron removed from his position.

It's not a perfect system, but it's still the best.
Local is OK for some things. But, you have to have something to govern the general populace, or local wont matter for long. Let's say that my town wants to build a nuclear dump site. The city council approves it, and issues the permits. But, it just happens to have run off into the river that your city gets its water from. Since all politics are local, you have no choice to move, or have kids with three eyes.
 

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There is an organization offering $300,000.00 for anyone that can provide the law requiring a citizen making their own wages in the United States to pay an income tax. ..... but that's a different topic. I occasionally have people from other states call me to buy merchandise. In the past, no sales tax. Now I have to charge em tax .
 

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Eh....
Gfunk, I understand your point in general, but that's covered under the "subsidiarity" I mentioned.
Anything nuclear is federally regulated, regardless of your town's intent.

Side note: I was surprised to learn that ALL nuclear fuel is owned by the Department of Energy.
The plants who buy it are paying only for the service of assembling the fuel into rods and getting it onsite.
Once the fuel is spent in a reactor (4.5 years at the plant I operated) each assembly is "cooled" for a number of years in a pool. Then it is placed inside a stainless cask, purged with inert gas, and welded shut.
The cask is then then encased inside another concrete shielding cask, and the whole thing is then parked outside for birds to perch on.

FOREVER, it looks like.

Evidently, only the local birds are truly happy with the arrangement. They like the heated perch in the winter.
Security, monitoring, and regular inspection is paid for by the plant operator - who does not own the fuel.

All American nuke power plants are stuck with the fuel they operated on because the federal government screwed this up as badly as everything else we trust them with. And taxpayers foot the bill. Ratepayers on that system pay again with their power bill.

The DOE was SUPPOSED to take possession of all spent fuel and store it until it was reprocessed.
Jimmy Carter put a stop to reprocessing, because the USA is the one country on earth that cannot be trusted to reprocess nuclear fuel. Plutonium might be recovered, and used for a nuclear weapon.

Meanwhile, the state of Nevada was happy to take billions a year in federal funds to build a nuclear repository until it was almost time to start bringing fuel in. Then they shut it down. EMPTY and unused.

You don't happen to live in Yucca Flat, Nevada???
 
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No. You get a tax break for having that kid.
I want my school tax back for not having kids.
In theory, those tax dollars go to the education of future adults and you can make an argument that there is a benefit to society as a whole by people being educated.

In reality, schools have increasingly become institutes of the woke agenda and the actual education seems to be secondary to the social conditioning kids are getting.
 

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Eh....
Gfunk, I understand your point in general, but that's covered under the "subsidiarity" I mentioned.
Anything nuclear is federally regulated, regardless of your town's intent.

Side note: I was surprised to learn that ALL nuclear fuel is owned by the Department of Energy.
The plants who buy it are paying only for the service of assembling the fuel into rods and getting it onsite.
Once the fuel is spent in a reactor (4.5 years at the plant I operated) each assembly is "cooled" for a number of years in a pool. Then it is placed inside a stainless cask, purged with inert gas, and welded shut.
The cask is then then encased inside another concrete shielding cask, and the whole thing is then parked outside for birds to perch on. Evidently, the birds like the heat in the winter.
Security, monitoring, and regular inspection is paid for by the plant operator - who does not own the fuel.

The DOE was SUPPOSED to take possession of all spent fuel and store it until it was reprocessed.

You don't happen to live in Yucca Flat, Nevada???
Nope. Not Yucca Flats, or up in the Pan Handel. I saw that DOE was trying to get a permit for a "holding area" for nuclear items up there last week. Seems like a company that owns a "low level" dump site, and is well "connected" wants to get paid to store higher level stuff. Locals are like OH HELL NO.
 

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THIS.



But not this.
To avoid getting "political" I will summon my most basic lesson on Liberty from the high school government and economics classes I taught:
True and lasting liberty does not come from one central government in The Swamp issuing sweeping, blanket edicts with no accountability.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but allowing every little municipality to set its own rules is absolutely the way to go. The people who live there have a chance of changing anything they don't like.
The idea of subsidiarity, allowing decisions to be made at the lowest possible level by people actually involved and directly affected, is a central idea in what our Founders wisely imagined.

Example: Mayberry, RFD has a handful of officials in their tiny rural town.
But federal laws applying to EVERYTHING they do, with the costs that come with it all?
Do we need a federal regulation specifying what color shirt the dog catcher should wear? Is he law enforcement, or a utility worker?

How about this?
The dog catcher's shirts are old and stained and threadbare. His wife has been sewing them up, but he has had to wear his personal shirts a few times just to get through the day.
So finally the lady who is the secretary to the mayor and the sheriff, as well as the county clerk in the court house, notices and says "We need to get you some new shirts. What do you want?"

He tells her, the mayor signs off on it, and she orders them.

DONE.

Once every rule, law, or executive order that affects and controls your life comes from the federal level, you have ZERO chance of changing it.
We have a "Federal Department of" every damned thing you can think of now, with federal enforcement and prosecutorial capabilities, not to mention the accompanying unbridled enthusiasm in the millions of well-compensated employees who are usually anonymous and almost always immune to prosecution.

Take it from the guy who as been asked to leave city hall meetings and school board meetings for publicly asking difficult questions of appointed and ESPECIALLY elected leaders in my community.
When the deputy is directed to escort you out, shut up, smile, and cooperate. You will be able to resume your efforts tomorrow, with the support of every witness in the meeting.

At the local level, if you don't like something, there's still a good chance you can get it changed.
Or ultimately, get a bureaucratic moron removed from his position.

It's not a perfect system, but it's still the best.

I totally understand all of the above....

But thats somewhat simplified.

And yes it is all VERY imperfect.....

However in many instances local control allows for double dipping by attacking the tax payer and mooching off state and even the fed........
I'm not certain but I believe Reverb assesses tax at the rate of the state of the buyer's residence.
Anybody know this for sure?

Actually it depends on the state....

There are states that do destination based sales tax, states that do origin based sales tax.....and CA ....they use both.
 
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There are states that do destination based sales tax, states that do origin based sales tax.....and CA ....they use both.
SERIOUSLY?

I've been saying this for years now - somebody should do something about California...
 

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It goes to everywhere except where it should go
 

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I guess I know what the money is used for, but I never heard anybody suggest that there was a whole lot more as a result of this additional tax. It had to be a gigantic amount of money, and I didn’t see any improvement to anything equal to the amount of money that they received.
There is no "extra tax" being collected from online shopping. It's simply filling the hole left by collecting less sales tax from in person retail shopping.
 

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You guys should be thankful you got away with no tax for so many years. I'm In Canada and we've always had to pay sales tax on on-line buys.

How does it work down there, do you pay your home state tax, or tax from the other state? We pay home province.
Exactly.
 

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We pay way too much damn taxes. Sales tax, income tax, property tax, city tax, county tax, state tax, federal tax. ...

It's ridiculous
I have to laugh at my American cousins complaining about too much tax - come live up here in the igloo next door for a year or 2 and see what you think about your taxes after that! lol
 

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I think that sales and consumption taxes are a lot more fair/ethical/moral and democratic than are income taxes.
Oh, what an old-fashioned and simple-minded notion.

:cool:


All taxes are evil, but some are less so. IMHO.
I spent a dozen years in Buckeye, Arizona.
It's an exploding suburb of Phoenix that was ill-equipped to deal with such growth.
Once a remote desert burg, they suddenly had tax dollars flooding in faster than they could count them.
Property tax revenue went from a little here and there to thousands of new homes on the rolls.
STILL decided to raise their local sales tax rate to a total of 10.33%.

The public hearings on this went on for months.
This is where I was first escorted out of a town hall meeting during a public comment session.
I had the unmitigated gall to ask the Council questions they did not want to address, so they ruled I was out of order.
I pointed out that all of them had received emails and phone messages on the matter, but they had refused to reply.

"So, I KNOW you heard my questions now. And so do the witnesses in the room. Yes, officer. I will leave peacefully."

Almost everyone in the room got up and walked out with me.
Including several attorneys attending the meeting for various matters.

The tax went into effect anyway, but the council was purged at the next election.
At least it didn't all remain cloaked in secrecy, as the public and the media became aware.
 
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I have to laugh at my American cousins complaining about too much tax - come live up here in the igloo next door for a year or 2 and see what you think about your taxes after that! lol
Look at our debt levels.

Everyone here wants European-style benefits but no one wants to pay European-style taxes.
I've been saying for 30 years that the way to finally get EVERYONE on board with the idea of a balanced budget is a two-step thing.

1. Term-limit every legislator while spending exceeds revenue. No one is eligible for re-election if the government they serve in holds any deficits.

2. Raise taxes high enough to cover every expenditure they vote for. That's right - zero debt. When EVERYONE finally has to pay the freight, the public will finally start paying attention.

Great example from my teaching years:
Teachers bought into the whole "technology" thing, and the idea that every student should be given a computer.
"The computer is the new Number 2 pencil in education..."

OK, fine.
When Mom is doing her back-to-school shopping for her kids, put a computer on her shopping list.
When the parents have to un-ass the money to pay for a computer for each kid, and to replace the computers that kids destroy, that idea won't be so popular anymore.

Who pays for the computers NOW?
No one.
Seriously, think about it.
This is where $30 trillion in national debt comes from.
Federal money buys most of the "technology" in the classroom through each individual school.
Mom isn't paying for it.
The taxpayers aren't paying enough to cover the spending.

No one is paying it - yet.

And we've already promised $100 trillion in future benefits to people who are alive today.
There's not enough money on the planet to pay for this.
 

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I have to laugh at my American cousins complaining about too much tax - come live up here in the igloo next door for a year or 2 and see what you think about your taxes after that! lol

Yes but we pay astronomical health insurance costs as well, on top of all the taxes.
 

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Healthcare is roughly 15% of the entire American economy.
Here's an idea - let's create a federal and state bureaucracy big enough to manage the entire thing.
THAT will bring costs down.
Right?

:wtf:

You KNOW we're screwed when the insurance companies are probably the wisest and most honest party at the table.
 

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