Oklahoma, OK? ...Not so much. SCOTUS Rules for Tribe, 1/2 of State Goes Poof!

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I think pretty much everyone I know here in OK have Indian blood .
Im just across the border in Fayetteville and its amazing how many of my customers have cards for the reservation hospitals
 

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Im just across the border in Fayetteville and its amazing how many of my customers have cards for the reservation hospitals
Yeah I remember you live there. My son still lives near you .
Yeah they all have cards here but the hospitals are a joke (according to everyone here ).
To be seen you pretty much have to stay in line all day. At my workplace they use the employer insurance , use insurance doctors then the Indian hospital pays off the balance .
 

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Yeah I remember you live there. My son still lives near you .
Yeah they all have cards here but the hospitals are a joke (according to everyone here ).
To be seen you pretty much have to stay in line all day. At my workplace they use the employer insurance , use insurance doctors then the Indian hospital pays off the balance .
A little off-topic, but how has he not talked you into moving here? NWA is easily one of the best 10 places to live in the country
 

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A little off-topic, but how has he not talked you into moving here? NWA is easily one of the best 10 places to live in the country
oh he has asked. I have thought about it as I love it out there. But he may move State next year, so im not sure now .

He moved company recently.. he is a manager of Topgolf that just opened in Rogers. If you like that sort of thing you should try it out, good fun .
 

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imagine you bought a house and thought it was in OK, part of the USA, with laws and stuff.

then this happens.

what kind of legal suits could this inspire? or are the owners SOL?

because i would be furious.
Imagine you were one of the tribes chased off your land, over the SCOTUS’s objection...forced to march from your lands along the trail of tears to a new land, granted to you by treaty, only to have your new land taken by more white devils.

I imagine I would be furious.
 

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Typically you need formal tribal affiliation in a federally recognized tribe to participate in the good bennies, no?
And they all do. Id have to look it up, and it may vary between tribes, but i think if you can prove 1/8th blood you are eligible for the free healthcare etc. to get the tags you have to have a residence (PO Box is probably enough) in the nation you are registering in, I think
 

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Typically you need formal tribal affiliation in a federally recognized tribe to participate in the good bennies, no?
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And they all do. Id have to look it up, and it may vary between tribes, but i think if you can prove 1/8th blood you are eligible for the free healthcare etc. to get the tags you have to have a residence (PO Box is probably enough) in the nation you are registering in, I think
it does vary by tribe. Some use blood quantum some use lineal relationships. Some use a combination of the two. There are some tribes that use other methods.
 

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I grew up in Tulsa, and as I understand the SCOTUS ruling, it only goes to who will prosecute Natives who committ criimes in this part of OK. Now, if you are a Native and are charged with a Federal crime in this part of OK, you will be prosecuted and tried in Tribal court.

But the question I have is, what if a Native is found guilty of a major crime, and is sentenced to prison term? I don't know of any Native Nations that have prisons. Where will such a convict be confned? IDK.

I understand that the Creek (Muscogee) Nation is now trying to work out the "details" that come from this ruling. and there are many such details that must be worked out.
 

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I'm like 1/16 Cherokee. Does this mean I get my own casino?
At 1/16 you own one of the doors at the casino, so you probably won't make any Wampum. On the bright side, you can probably install any kind of doorknob you want.
 

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Imagine you were one of the tribes chased off your land, over the SCOTUS’s objection...forced to march from your lands along the trail of tears to a new land, granted to you by treaty, only to have your new land taken by more white devils.

I imagine I would be furious.
i would too.
 

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I grew up in Tulsa, and as I understand the SCOTUS ruling, it only goes to who will prosecute Natives who committ criimes in this part of OK. Now, if you are a Native and are charged with a Federal crime in this part of OK, you will be prosecuted and tried in Tribal court.

But the question I have is, what if a Native is found guilty of a major crime, and is sentenced to prison term? I don't know of any Native Nations that have prisons. Where will such a convict be confned? IDK.

I understand that the Creek (Muscogee) Nation is now trying to work out the "details" that come from this ruling. and there are many such details that must be worked out.
That was the impetus, not the ruling...

The ruling found the lands were tribal, because terms of treaty were not met, and legislation was inept, therefore land under tribal jurisdiction, not OK state.

Ramifications of jurisdiction can be viewed as broader then the criminal ones you raise, which are valid.
 

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I grew up in Tulsa, and as I understand the SCOTUS ruling, it only goes to who will prosecute Natives who committ criimes in this part of OK. Now, if you are a Native and are charged with a Federal crime in this part of OK, you will be prosecuted and tried in Tribal court.

But the question I have is, what if a Native is found guilty of a major crime, and is sentenced to prison term? I don't know of any Native Nations that have prisons. Where will such a convict be confned? IDK.

I understand that the Creek (Muscogee) Nation is now trying to work out the "details" that come from this ruling. and there are many such details that must be worked out.

Well, not quite. The Federal courts have jurisdiction, although they generally defer to a tribal court IF there is one (many smaller tribes don't have one). What this ruling does is completely remove tribal land- according to the original treaty boundaries - from OK state jurisdiction.
 
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