NSD Creamback

[Deftone]

Scored a Celestion Creamback G12M-65 16ohm yesterday. The guy had two for a pretty good deal but I hesitated too long and he sold one. Funny enough, he was the same guy I bought two G12H-30 Anniversaries off of.

So I bought a secondr one off Reverb and it's on the way. Now to figure out where to use them...maybe mix 'em with some greenbacks.

 

[cherrysunburst00]

I like Creambacks a lot. 10" really jazzed up my Studio Classic combo. I think paired with a Greenback would be BAD ASS

 

[Deftone]

I like Creambacks a lot. 10" really jazzed up my Studio Classic combo. I think paired with a Greenback would be BAD ASS

I'm hoping so. I like them in the clips I've heard on YT.

Having a hard time finding speaker I like (besides G12T-75's) with my JCM800 2204. V30's are a bit too bright and buzzy, greenbacks are better but a little too bright, even when mixed. Maybe the creambacks on top and the GB's on the bottom.

 

[ErictheRed]

Have you tried the G12H75? That speaker solved everything that I didn't like about my Triple Crown. The M65s that I had were fine but I really love the H75.

 

[TXOldRedRocker]

I like Creambacks a lot. 10" really jazzed up my Studio Classic combo. I think paired with a Greenback would be BAD ASS

Been thinkin' 'bout puttin' a 10" Creamback in my SC20C. Everyone says it's better.

And my research tells me I'd like it better too.

 

[cherrysunburst00]

Been thinkin' 'bout puttin' a 10" Creamback in my SC20C. Everyone says it's better.

And my research tells me I'd like it better too.

Try it. If you don't like it, you will have no trouble selling it. Huge difference to my ears

 

[Deftone]

Have you tried the G12H75? That speaker solved everything that I didn't like about my Triple Crown. The M65s that I had were fine but I really love the H75.

I have not, but I will look for those next. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Deftone]

 

[ErictheRed]

As you can hear in those, the H75 has more bitey upper mids and extended highs and presence than the M65, but it doesn't have the same spikey, ice pick quality that a Vintage 30 can have. The H also has bigger and more firm lows than the M. It's kind of half Greenback and half Vintage 30 in a way to me, definitely my favorite rock or British speaker after rolling a bunch of speakers over the last few years.

Remember that the 16 Ohm versions will have more high end than the 8 Ohm versions, too.

 

[Deftone]

As you can hear in those, the H75 has more bitey upper mids and extended highs and presence than the M65, but it doesn't have the same spikey, ice pick quality that a Vintage 30 can have. The H also has bigger and more firm lows than the M. It's kind of half Greenback and half Vintage 30 in a way to me, definitely my favorite rock or British speaker after rolling a bunch of speakers over the last few years.

Remember that the 16 Ohm versions will have more high end than the 8 Ohm versions, too.

I agree with you on the Vintage 30. Just noticed your "similar thread" below about mixing speakers. You stated there that you don't like the M65 Creambacks with your Mesa & Suhr amps, but you did with the Fender "a little less efficient and they tamed some of the brightness" That might work for my Marshalls, especially the JCM800 2204.

 

[ErictheRed]

I agree with you on the Vintage 30. Just noticed your "similar thread" below about mixing speakers. You stated there that you don't like the M65 Creambacks with your Mesa & Suhr amps, but you did with the Fender "a little less efficient and they tamed some of the brightness" That might work for my Marshalls, especially the JCM800 2204.

Over time I liked the M65 much less with the Pro Reverb. I liked the lower efficiency at first, but they took away the American character of that amp. I also used Neo Creambacks for a while and Eminence GA-SC65 speakers for a while before settling on the Jensen Tornado Stealth 80 in there for last year. I don't know what I ever heard in the other speakers, honestly. They worked well for distortion I guess, but neutered the Blackface sound way too much.

FWIW I found the Neo Creamback to be almost indistinguishable from the M65, so if you really love those and want to save some weight I think they're a great option.

 

[Deftone]

Got my 2nd Creamback M65 today and loaded it in my 1960BV cab along with two G12H-30 Anni's.

Played my JMP 2204 through it and it sounds awesome. Brighter than I thought it would be, not buzzy, very articulate. I'm super happy with the results.

 

[Deftone]

ok, now I have tried my JCM800 2204 and my 2555 JCM through these speakers and I think this might be my new favorite cab. Not sure if it's the Creambacks, the G12H-30 Anni's or the combination of the two, but with the 2555 it's got the nastiest growl I have ever heard and it completely tamed all the spikey highs of the 2204.

 

[xland]

Congratulations!! The Celestion Creamback 65W is my favorite speaker. I had a 12" in a 15W Fender Bassbreaker and Vox AC4 (1x12) I once owned and now have a 10" in my Marshall Origin 20 combo...love it.

Enjoy!!

 

[TXOldRedRocker]

Got my 2nd Creamback M65 today and loaded it in my 1960BV cab along with two G12H-30 Anni's.
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Played my JMP 2204 through it and it sounds awesome. Brighter than I thought it would be, not buzzy, very articulate. I'm super happy with the results.

Looks great! Bet it sounds fantastic!
A couple years ago, I rolled a bunch of speakers, and sold what I didn't choose.

Got the GAS to have another cabinet and buy a bunch of speakers again. MUST resist!!

 

[Deftone]

Looks great! Bet it sounds fantastic!
A couple years ago, I rolled a bunch of speakers, and sold what I didn't choose.

Got the GAS to have another cabinet and buy a bunch of speakers again. MUST resist!!

I have so many speakers right now it's ridiculous. But when you find the right combo it's so worth it.

 

[cherrysunburst00]

Got my 2nd Creamback M65 today and loaded it in my 1960BV cab along with two G12H-30 Anni's.
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Played my JMP 2204 through it and it sounds awesome. Brighter than I thought it would be, not buzzy, very articulate. I'm super happy with the results.

Any particular reason for both Creambacks on the bottom? I'm planning on doing the same with 10" Creambacks in my 1965A.

My first thought was the Creambacks on the bottom as they are a bit bassier (sic) but then I thought to place them in an X configuration: 1 upper left, the 2nd lower right.

 

[Deftone]

Any particular reason for both Creambacks on the bottom? I'm planning on doing the same with 10" Creambacks in my 1965A.

My first thought was the Creambacks on the bottom as they are a bit bassier (sic) but then I thought to place them in an X configuration: 1 upper left, the 2nd lower right.

I was just thinking in terms of power handling...65w vs 30w. IIRC someone on here years ago said lower wattage should be on top. So I just tried it like that. Sounds great, so I left it.

That said I have a GB's and G12H-30 Anni's in an X pattern in another 4x12 A cab. IMHO it's more critical in an A cab because the speakers point at your face.

I think the right answer is whatever sounds best to you. You might have to switch them around a few times but that's half the fun, right?

 

[ErictheRed]

The right answer is clearly always what sounds best to you, and some people do an X pattern.

Personally I think that it's more about efficiency and that the less sensitive speakers should be on top where they're going to be a little easier to hear from where you stand (so I would start by trying G12H Anniversaries on the bottom and G12M65s on top for instance). In my case I use V30s and G12H75s mixed, and I put the Vintage 30s on the bottom and Creambacks on top (they are the same sensitivity). I feel like the Vintage 30s can be a little bit more prone to harsh frequencies or that spikey, piercing, cutting sound, so that's why I put them on the bottom. The Creambacks are a more pleasant speaker to my ears, so I keep them closer to my actual ears.

 

[cherrysunburst00]

I was just thinking in terms of power handling...65w vs 30w. IIRC someone on here years ago said lower wattage should be on top. So I just tried it like that. Sounds great, so I left it.

That said I have a GB's and G12H-30 Anni's in an X pattern in another 4x12 A cab. IMHO it's more critical in an A cab because the speakers point at your face.

I think the right answer is whatever sounds best to you. You might have to switch them around a few times but that's half the fun, right?

The right answer is clearly always what sounds best to you, and some people do an X pattern.

Personally I think that it's more about efficiency and that the less sensitive speakers should be on top where they're going to be a little easier to hear from where you stand (so I would start by trying G12H Anniversaries on the bottom and G12M65s on top for instance). In my case I use V30s and G12H75s mixed, and I put the Vintage 30s on the bottom and Creambacks on top (they are the same sensitivity. I feel like the Vintage 30s can be a little bit more prone to harsh frequencies or that spikey, piercing, cutting sound, so that's why I put them on the bottom. The Creambacks are a more pleasant speaker to my ears, so I keep them closer to my actual ears.

I appreciate both replies. Can't wait to try