Nikolas Cruz Parkland Shooter Trial

[Marshall & Moonshine]

I’d rather be dead than live in prison.

 

[electric head]

Some losers prefer prison, they cannot handle the real world..

Hell they get fed, a roof over their head and hang with their homies.

 

[SteveGangi]

I think that's why in the old days they would just ship people off to Australia and leave them there. Will they survive? Who knows. Not our problem anymore.

... and NOW they are doing great

 

[SteveC]

I suspect that the cost to the state for a death row inmate is much more than the cost for a life sentence, considering all the appeals, court and administrative costs, medical evaluations, etc. that will happen over decades, plus the cost of the execution itself.

If not more, then it's a rounding error in difference. In the can, he's just one more mouth to feed. Let him fucking rot and die slowly.

 

[Leee]

I suspect that the cost to the state for a death row inmate is much more than the cost for a life sentence…

ABSOLUTELY.
And this is one of the worst-kept secrets in that whole debate, pro or con.

Advocates of the death penalty have allowed this monster to grow and grow, because they still want to demonstrate that they are on the side of law and public interest.
“Go ahead, challenge this all you want, but in the end we will prove that this is correct and appropriate.”

So those against the death penalty will challenge it any way they can, muddy the water any way possible, delay every decision, every ruling, every hearing, and argue over the size of the paper clip used to attach two pieces of paper.

Well, the justice system is designed to accept and hear any legal challenge and decide its merit.

And who pays for this?
The American people.
Both sides.

Mostly through taxes, but also through corporate money from things we buy and private interest groups that figure out sneaky ways to attach themselves to money never intended for such lunacy.

Find me the most fervent, radical, anti-death penalty activist out there and then tell me how much money he or she personally has put into this fight.
For the most part, none.

I’m not going to jump way off in the weeds here, because this has been purposely muddied and mired in various shades of gray for precisely this reason.

 

[Zylo]

i have a simpole solution..

all those millions in Prison... take them out, make them clean streets, waterways, woods etc etc
make them payback society instead of us paying to feed and cloth them.

 

[Leee]

Brilliant solution.
For the past 60 years, the activists and the do-gooders have been chipping away at that.
Work farms and chain gangs are almost nonexistent now.

For the same reason as my post above.

I’m with you 100%.
Do you want to reduce your sentence?
Get to work.
Demonstrate that you can be trusted, that you can function as a human being around other human beings.

Do you want to lay on your ass, and can’t get along with anybody?
You get the worst cells and the worst food. Enjoy yourself.

 

[Howard2k]

Death penalty is great until the wrong people are executed. But hey, as long as it's someone else, right.

 

[SteveC]

In fact, the 13th Amendment provides for that. There is no legal reason why prisoners cannot be forced to work to pay their debt to society.

The same people who invented the new genders have fought this for decades.

 

[SteveGangi]

i have a simpole solution..

all those millions in Prison... take them out, make them clean streets, waterways, woods etc etc
make them payback society instead of us paying to feed and cloth them.

And the thousands who will simply refuse to work, and will try to escape????

 

[Leee]

Death penalty is great until the wrong people are executed.

Separate the emotion and bullshit, and get down to the basics, and some of the real problems with this will be revealed.
You’re not wrong.

When DNA came into common use in the 90s, and a few people got sprung from death row, it definitely changed the way I think about this.

There are many, many problems with the way the death penalty is utilized in this country, and this is one more that cannot be ignored.

Better 100 guilty men go free, than one innocent man be executed.
I think that idea started bouncing around in the USA back in the 18th century - before there was a USA.

 

[Deftone]

i have a simple solution..

all those millions in Prison... take them out, make them clean streets, waterways, woods etc etc
make them payback society instead of us paying to feed and cloth them.

Been saying this for years. Instead of giving them time, give them an owed dollar amount and let them pay it back in hard labor. Earn your food, clothing, medical, shelter and eventual freedom (if so sentenced). No work = No food. No problem.

 

[Leee]

Earn your food, clothing, medical, shelter and eventual freedom (if so sentenced). No work = No food. No problem.

Absolutely!
And the exasperating thing for me, all of this high-minded and progressive thinking has only moved us further and further from what has worked in human existence for thousands of years.
In or out of prison.
Since man first walked upright.

Unless you are an old widow or an orphan, get your ass to work.
And even then, is there not something you can do?

But no, every generation decides they’ve got a new and better idea.

 

[Deftone]

Absolutely!
And the exasperating thing for me, all of this high-minded and progressive thinking has only moved us further and further from what has worked in human existence for thousands of years.
In or out of prison.
Since man first walked upright.

Unless you are an old widow or an orphan, get your ass to work.
And even then, is there not something you can do?

But no, every generation decides they’ve got a new and better idea.

Word. Everyone has to work to live, why should convicts get a free ride?

Nothing teaches values like hard work. Keeps your mind busy, keeps you motivated, gives you a purpose. Teaches some job skills as well.

And think of all the tax dollars we could save with prison labor. It is the solution.

Either work or sit around, drink toilet wine & do drugs. How's that been working out?

 

[wildhawk1]

Plenty of crumbling roads and other infrastructure issues could be resolved by using free labor.

In return a reward system could be used.

Every month of problem free work would be a month reduced on their sentences.

And ..... use peer pressure to make sure there's no problems.

If one of you screw up everyone has the credits earned reduced or removed.

Maybe Bubba will think twice before he's sent back to the house of barbed wire with a dozen highly pissed off coworker/inmates.

 

[Leee]

And ..... use peer pressure to make sure there's no problems.

I taught high school for a couple years - government & economics mostly.

The whole “woke” thing was steadily creeping into every aspect of the schools, and one of the constant reminders in our professional development days was to combat bullying.
OK, sure.

And even peer pressure.
It can be dangerous to a student’s self-esteem, with debilitating consequences.
Oh, jeez…

At the extreme?
Yeah, I understand.
But peer pressure is not always bad. In fact, aren’t positive social norms also peer pressure?

I would say the vast majority of peer pressure is for the greater good, and is one of the subtle but effective tools in any successful culture.

I discussed this regularly with my students, and most of them got it.

If there’s a shithead sitting next to you in class that disrupts everything and thinks it’s cool?
Ignore him.

If he asks to borrow a pencil (because you can bet he won’t have one), simply refuse.

If he causes the rest of the class to get in trouble, ostracize him.
Freeze him out.
Do not reward shitty behavior with any acknowledgment or participation.

It works.

So, don’t be ashamed.
Don’t let anyone tell you that you’re a bad person for doing the right thing and trying to take care of your own business.

After high school?
If he winds up in prison?
Well, maybe there he will finally start to get the hint.

 

[LPMarshall Hack]

To the prison loser, hard work is considered cruel and unusual punishment

 

[wildhawk1]

Verdict is in. Death Penalty on the table. Waiting for jury

Been watching any of Darrell's antics?

 

[Crotch]

Been watching any of Darrell's antics?

Yup. Fuckin ridiculous

 

[Leee]

Darrell?
The Christmas parade guy in Waukesha?