Nighthawk with floyd 1994 - Original wiring ??? Any nighthawk owners to help ?

xrr

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Hi all,

I just got a Nighthawk 1994 ST3 with floyd and I'm really happy with it...
But I started suspecting some issues when I couldn't find the tone as I expected...

In black what I expected it to be, in red what I get :




I suspected the wiring had been messed with but it seems to be 'factory' clean...

position 3 is the same in both push/pull position, and 1 and 5 again with knob down... only 8 tones, not 10... and no way to select neck pickup only single coil....


Could anyone tell me if they have the same ?
Is that wiring specific to ST3 with floyd models ?
Is that possiblethat I'm the first to wonder 20 years later with nothing to be found online ?

Any clue, gibsons specialists ?

and of course my wring is not the same as the one I could find on the Gibson website (only two out of the 6 push/pull pins are wired)

oh and yes she's nice :D

 

xrr

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Ok,

just taking 5 min to answer myself for the archives :D

So my wiring was just a big mess ! a bad tech somewhen in the last 20 years changed the 5 ways switch to a 4 way and rewired everything very very strangely.

I just rewired everything back to the original 95 configuration !
I added an oophase using a second push/pull and while I was at it I carbon painted the cavities and repolished the back and table...

CTS pots, Orange cap, etc...
it's a loooong work to wire a 5 way switch and 3 pickups !
Mostly spent finding the one and only wire I missed during the process !





Ready for a leat 20 years more !

By the way, Gibson has a fantastic customer support.. They sent me all the original wiring schematics and were very responsive to my questions...

Here's the proper switch setup for 2 and 3 pickups models:

 

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I'm a bit surprised they didn't use the MIII wiring setup for that guitar. That's yet another HSH guitar from that era with a five-way. Except that instead of a push-pull, they used a miniswitch to change systems. But they had the same idea -- one switching setup gives you the single coil strat choices, the other gives you the LP choices, with a couple of extras.
 

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Cool axe! The only downside for me is that, in a live situation, I tend to throw the switch all the way one way or the other and expect the 2 main sounds we normally have: neck or bridge pickup. With your tone knob down you have full bridge pickup on one end and full neck pickup in the middle. Kind of weird but I suppose you'll get used to it.

Enjoy! I love Nighthawks.
 

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Ok,

just taking 5 min to answer myself for the archives :D

So my wiring was just a big mess ! a bad tech somewhen in the last 20 years changed the 5 ways switch to a 4 way and rewired everything very very strangely.

I just rewired everything back to the original 95 configuration !
I added an oophase using a second push/pull and while I was at it I carbon painted the cavities and repolished the back and table...

CTS pots, Orange cap, etc...
it's a loooong work to wire a 5 way switch and 3 pickups !
Mostly spent finding the one and only wire I missed during the process !





Ready for a leat 20 years more !

By the way, Gibson has a fantastic customer support.. They sent me all the original wiring schematics and were very responsive to my questions...

Here's the proper switch setup for 2 and 3 pickups models:

Great ! I have the NightHawk ST3 with Floyd: Do you have the wiring diagram to solder in order to get the settings as per the original Gibson's pickup configuration ? Thanks !
 

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Hi there,

Gibson was kind enough to send me the drawings by email
I don't have their approval so I won't share that in public.

I'll send you a private message...
 

xrr

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it seems that I can't send you a private message... maybe you're too new on the forum...
 

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Holy **** :wow:

That must be a jazzers' guitar clearly.
No way i could keep track of my settings on that in a live situation.

Actually that's one of the reasons i like Gibson guitars so much.. The 3-way toggle. Just mash it up or down and voilà.
Even the 5 way switch on a Stratocaster seems unwieldy to me while rocking out.
 

xrr

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ok if they are already online that's different :)
Here you go for the missing piece:

 

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Cool guitars, underated. It was literally created over a weekend in '92 by two guys.
 

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Cool guitars, underated. It was literally created over a weekend in '92 by two guys.
It was the most successful “modern” design from Gibson. Has some typical strat type problems. Dirt in the Bladeswitch. Mine is crackling in the middle position coil split. Hopefully some contact cleaner will do the job.
 

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Won the Winter Namm award in '93. Henry came up to two employees just months before the show on a Friday afternoon and demanded that they come up with a new guitar by Monday morning or they were fired. True story.

They sequestered in the plant with one guy bringing Coke and Marlboros to tied him over..... and by Monday the Nighthawk was born.
 




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