NGD- Desert Star DSG007

[krauley]

You will not sully my guitars with your demon seed, sir.

I am just an accomplice, a pawn in this evil. you take me down there will be others, we will not falter until all "WOULD"







oh yes and very nice work on all those instruments you hand crafted i see posted in these forums.

 

[artis_xe]

and how about a "well done" to the Barstow Woman's Club of 1964-1965 and their work on that sign.

( also a street sign in the background that I myself would have blocked out )

 

[James R]

Wow, freaking sweet guitar!
Congrats, and HNDSGD!

 

[Tim Fezziwig]

HOLY S!

 

[LtDave32]

I remember you mentioning that . but it seems that I keep coming up with unusual requests / specs . I know that a few people that I've asked , don't want to work with Richlite for a variety of reasons . is that something that you're willing to take a swing at ?

Yep, sure.. Richlite, katalox, ebony, paduak... whatever warms your fingers.

 

[Pappy58]

Yep, sure.. Richlite, katalox, ebony, paduak... whatever warms your fingers.

Along these lines, I need to point something out. As Dave and I were discussing specs, I inquired about a nylon nut. His initial response was "um..oh..ok"...he went to the Luthier board and they were all like "um..oh..no idea" so our man goes and takes the challenge, acquires some material and through a little trial and refinement figures out the tooling and process to cut a beautiful nylon nut, and then so instructs the Luthier members. This in particularly amazed me. He is so dedicated to the "what you want is what you get" motto, Unbelievable!

 

[LtDave32]

I discovered a few things.

It's a GREAT nut material. Self-lubricating.

it doesn't wear down

The great "bone" nut material does wear down. Not Nylon 6/6. it is tough as a two-dollar steak.

It is easy to cut <shocker> , but only if you use gauged pull saws or something along those lines.

You have to use saws. It will NOT cut with nut slotting files. -Like I said; it does not wear down.

The fret slotting files serve to clean up and smooth the slots you cut with the saws.

Gibson originally used an injection-mold process to cast nylon 6 nuts with the slots already in them. Then cleaned them up and installed them on the guitars.

I found that you can buy industrial-grade 3/16 " bars of Nylon 6/6 on Amazon. For a hell of a lot less than a single nut blank from some gourmet guitar boutique outfit. -That you still have to slot.

So after I found out how to work it, I set up a tutorial with pics on how to make a Nylon 6 nut and posted it in the Luthier's Corner. I'll be putting it in the "useful tips" sticky so it's easy to find.

Because guys have tried to work with the stuff, wanting the original 50's and 60's feel. Nut's a very important thing for being such a small item. But they just couldn't work with it. Too damn tough.

Funny thing is, with saws you really have to watch out, because they will cut the Nylon 6 like butter.

(you ought to see the "ruined" can. six or so nuts in there )

And, you can sand, buff and polish it just like other nut materials. It polishes up nice and smooth.

I will be offering Nylon 6/6 nuts, pre-slotted in the typical Gibson string spacing, 1 11/16" wide if anybody wants them.

 

[LtDave32]

( also a street sign in the background that I myself would have blocked out )

What? Barstow road? Everybody knows I live out here. No big deal.

 

[Shred Astaire]

Thanks guys!

I'll tell you, I wish I could be a fly on the wall at Pappy58's gig tomorrow and see her inaugural workout.

@Pappy58 should get someone to film the gig on their handheld computer phone!!

 

[Pappy58]

@Pappy58 should get someone to film the gig on their handheld computer phone!!

I'll see what I can do...

 

[Scooter2112]

Dave...if you do a V build, post some pics if you can. Looks good, sir!

 

[Neffco]

Everyone stop talking to Dave, he has work to do. This thread has me Jonsing for my new neck on my old friend.

I kid. Beautiful work Dave!

 

[Tone deaf]

I discovered a few things.

It's a GREAT nut material. Self-lubricating.

it doesn't wear down

The great "bone" nut material does wear down. Not Nylon 6/6. it is tough as a two-dollar steak.

It is easy to cut <shocker> , but only if you use gauged pull saws or something along those lines.

You have to use saws. It will NOT cut with nut slotting files. -Like I said; it does not wear down.

The fret slotting files serve to clean up and smooth the slots you cut with the saws.

Gibson originally used an injection-mold process to cast nylon 6 nuts with the slots already in them. Then cleaned them up and installed them on the guitars.

I found that you can buy industrial-grade 3/16 " bars of Nylon 6/6 on Amazon. For a hell of a lot less than a single nut blank from some gourmet guitar boutique outfit. -That you still have to slot.

So after I found out how to work it, I set up a tutorial with pics on how to make a Nylon 6 nut and posted it in the Luthier's Corner. I'll be putting it in the "useful tips" sticky so it's easy to find.

Because guys have tried to work with the stuff, wanting the original 50's and 60's feel. Nut's a very important thing for being such a small item. But they just couldn't work with it. Too damn tough.

Funny thing is, with saws you really have to watch out, because they will cut the Nylon 6 like butter.

(you ought to see the "ruined" can. six or so nuts in there )

And, you can sand, buff and polish it just like other nut materials. It polishes up nice and smooth.

I will be offering Nylon 6/6 nuts, pre-slotted in the typical Gibson string spacing, 1 11/16" wide if anybody wants them.

I wonder if you could melt the nut slots into the 66 nut?

 

[Alligatorbling]

Awesome! If I were on the market for a hand crafted instrument Dave is the guy I'd call without a doubt.

 

[LtDave32]

I wonder if you could melt the nut slots into the 66 nut?

Too hard to control. If you use proper saws, it cuts easily.

 

[MikeyTheCat]

I discovered a few things.

It's a GREAT nut material. Self-lubricating.

it doesn't wear down

The great "bone" nut material does wear down. Not Nylon 6/6. it is tough as a two-dollar steak.

It is easy to cut <shocker> , but only if you use gauged pull saws or something along those lines.

You have to use saws. It will NOT cut with nut slotting files. -Like I said; it does not wear down.

The fret slotting files serve to clean up and smooth the slots you cut with the saws.

Gibson originally used an injection-mold process to cast nylon 6 nuts with the slots already in them. Then cleaned them up and installed them on the guitars.

I found that you can buy industrial-grade 3/16 " bars of Nylon 6/6 on Amazon. For a hell of a lot less than a single nut blank from some gourmet guitar boutique outfit. -That you still have to slot.

So after I found out how to work it, I set up a tutorial with pics on how to make a Nylon 6 nut and posted it in the Luthier's Corner. I'll be putting it in the "useful tips" sticky so it's easy to find.

Because guys have tried to work with the stuff, wanting the original 50's and 60's feel. Nut's a very important thing for being such a small item. But they just couldn't work with it. Too damn tough.

Funny thing is, with saws you really have to watch out, because they will cut the Nylon 6 like butter.

(you ought to see the "ruined" can. six or so nuts in there )

And, you can sand, buff and polish it just like other nut materials. It polishes up nice and smooth.

I will be offering Nylon 6/6 nuts, pre-slotted in the typical Gibson string spacing, 1 11/16" wide if anybody wants them.

Dave, I'd be interested if they help with binding.

 

[LtDave32]

Dave, I'd be interested if they help with binding.

You mean the strings binding in the slots?

Smooth as silk. Nylon 6 has a natural lubricity. No hangup at all.

We can do this two ways:

You can send me your old nut, and I'll make a duplicate, exactly the height and dimension and slot depth of the old one.

Or you can just order one from me pre-slotted and shaped, and finish the rest yourself.

When one orders from Mojotone or some other place that sells Nylon 6 nuts, you get a blank bit of material that you have to slot and shape yourself.

That ain't the way I do it.

PM for deets.

 

[efstop]

I like that idea ^^

 

[RAG7890]

Nice work Dave. Looks stunning.

My thinking on Nuts is, if you have to have Vintage correct then by all means Nylon but IMHO Tusq is where it is at.

All my Custom Guitars have Tusq Nuts, my Replicas Nylon. I think Tusq is a better Nut material & from what I have found results in a clearer note.

Can't remember just now (feeling pretty seedy today ) but the Nylon used by Gibson in the 50's is not quite the same as the Nylon sold today. Nylon 6 ('50's) vs. Nylon 6/6 from memory. Nylon 6 is way harder.

Great to see your Luthier business humming along mate.

HNGD Pappy, enjoy in good health.

Cheers, Rudi

 

[LtDave32]

Nice work Dave. Looks stunning.

My thinking on Nuts is, if you have to have Vintage correct then by all means Nylon but IMHO Tusq is where it is at.

All my Custom Guitars have Tusq Nuts, my Replicas Nylon. I think Tusq is a better Nut material & from what I have found results in a clearer note.

Can't remember just now (feeling pretty seedy today ) but the Nylon used by Gibson in the 50's is not quite the same as the Nylon sold today. Nylon 6 ('50's) vs. Nylon 6/6 from memory. Nylon 6 is way harder.

Great to see your Luthier business humming along mate.

HNGD Pappy, enjoy in good health.

Cheers, Rudi

After having bone, tus and plastic, I find the nylon superior. Bone is hard, but it wears down. Same with tusq, IMO. I simply find nylon better able to do the job it is intended for; to keep the strings aligned and spaced, and off the fret board by a proper, unchanging height. That is a nut's job. I feel it is superior.

In the 50s, nylon 6/4 was used. The chemical process to make it proved hazardous, so a switch to the safer nylon 6/6 was made. Nylon 6/4 was harder than 6/6. Back then, the nut blanks were injection molded with the slots in them.