Need help: used to JCM800 4010 combo, same sound but smaller size

bosnialove

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Hi guys,

I need some help. At home I'm used to the sound of a JCM800 4010 combo. Last week I found a band to try to gig with, but the amps at the place where they rent their gigging room are really shit.

I want to bring my JCM800, but it is waaaay to heavy to deal with every week.. Going downstairs multiple times with it.. And upstairs again.

I need something similiar to the JCM800 4010's sound quality, but in a smaller and lighter size. I would prefer a tube amp, but if there are very good Marshall solid states ones, I will consider them.

Besides the JCM800 4010, I own the first edition Lead 12 and 5010 solid states. They are okay, but they are stilll much worse than the JCM800 4010.

Any suggestions?

So far I know about the old Marshall Studio 15 and about the new Marshall SC20 Studio Classic and Marshall SV20 Studio Vintage, but these are all around the $1000,- mark and that is way more than I would like to spend. I'm thinking about $600,- max. Marshalls only.

 

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I use the Lead20 for practice and it works perfectly. Since you've got the 30 why not use it? Nothings going to sound like the 4010 unless you spend $. And afterall it's just practice! :naughty:
 

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Maybe use the 5010 with a JCM800-style pedal? For example the JHS Angry Charlie.
 

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DSL20CR....put in a “better” speaker and you are IN!!!
 

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I have made my choice.. I live in the Netherlands and I have the 5010 in Bosnia. It has been so long since I used it and cant remember how it sounds.

Anyways, I will be looking for the following model:

- Mosfet 100
- Lead 30
- Lead 20

I think I just need to accept the fact that they will be big and heavy, no matter what I buy from Marshall.
 

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I use the Lead20 for practice and it works perfectly. Since you've got the 30 why not use it? Nothings going to sound like the 4010 unless you spend $. And afterall it's just practice! :naughty:
Can you gig a Lead 20? is it loud enough?
 

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Can you gig a Lead 20? is it loud enough?
I've never gigged it but it's plenty loud and obviously could be miked if need be. If you're worried get the 30 with the 12" speaker and you should be good.
 

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Okay, guys, final question. I'm looking at a Marshall Studio 15 form '89. The negotation will work out, so I'm pretty much sure that I will be buying the 4001 - Studio 15 Marshall.

Comparison between a 4010 JCM800 and 4001 Studio 15:

Marshall Studio 15 – 4001; Marshall JCM800 – 4010;

Weight: 16 kg 23 kg

Width: 43 cm 58 cm

Height: 47 cm 49 cm

Depth: 25 cm 25 cm



Now, if a compare the Studio 15 to the new Studio Classic SC20 combo or the Studio Vintage SV20 combo:

Marshall Studio 15 – 4001; Marshall Studio Classic or Vintage combo;

Weight: 16 kg 15 kg

Width: 43 cm 46 cm

Height: 47 cm 51 cm

Depth: 25 cm 25 cm


The Studio 15 has a 12" Celestion speaker, the Studio Classic/Vintage has only a 10" Celestion.

Also, I can buy the Studio 15 around €250,- cheaper than the Studio Classic/Vintage combo.

So, I'm doing good by choosing the Studio 15, right?
 

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The DSL 20 might work - I have one (for sale even :naughty:) with a Greenback fitted, and it's quite good. Not quite like the 4210 I had a while back, but it covers a lot of the tones. For it to be ideal for me, the "clean" channel would have to go to 11 for some of the heavier stuff we play, but it's got a good spread from clean to mean.... I've bought a Boogie MK IV A to replace it for practice and gigs, but the thing weighs 80lb :eek2:
 

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Move the 4010 to a head cabinet and leave a 1x12 cabinet at the rehearsal space.
 

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Move the 4010 to a head cabinet and leave a 1x12 cabinet at the rehearsal space.
This right here. -----^

I'm no youngster anymore so hauling around a loud heavy combo was becoming too much of a burden. So, I went with a separate head and speaker cabinet. Stack them up and they'll weigh the same or more as the combo, but separately you have two items to move but they're each much lighter. With CoyoteGator's suggestion, you don't even need to buy a new amp, just a speaker cabinet of your choice and you can load whatever speaker you want into it.
 

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My '82 JCM800 4010 is like new and full original. I am not going to butcher that one.

I will be picking up a Studio 15 in two weeks/. :)
 

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I'm picking up my Marshall Studio 15 this week.. In the meanwhile I saw this popping up and bought it immediately. It sounds soooo nice. Totally different than my Marshall JCM800, but for blues and for those hot clean tones, this is the perfect one.

It has two channel, a the slightly hotter channel had volume, treble and bass. The second channel is for clean tones and it has volume, treble, mids, bass, reverb, and vibrato (speed and depth). It also has a Pentode/Triode switch on the back...

And.. It looks soooo nice..





 

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My '82 JCM800 4010 is like new and full original. I am not going to butcher that one.

I will be picking up a Studio 15 in two weeks/. :)
no need to butcher your like new combo cabinet. have a new head cabinet made for the amp chassis and move the chassis to the new head cabinet. you could still use the combo cabinet and speaker with the rehoused amp chassis setting on top and get a second cabinet for second location (practice space?) if needed.
maybe get a neodymium speaker to lighten the combo?

good luck
 

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Or better yet sell me that big useless boat anchor since you'll have a nice light Marshall!
 

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Man, I wish I had the space to crank a Marshall. But it would have to be the 50W tremolo 4x10 combo I had in the late '70s.
 




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