Need help to verify 1997 Gibson R9

giovanivan

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Hi,

I am interested to buy Gibson Les Paul Custom R9 (1997) serial no. is "9 7066" from my friend (but he is not original owner).

However, I have been informed (by the expert here in Thailand) on some information that need you to verify these below;

1. All Gibson R9 which were produced in Year 1997 were not originally provided with Certificate of Authenticity (COA)from Gibson Custom Factory. Is it true ?

2. The original hard shell cases for LP R9 in 1997 were all provided with the normal Gibson Les Paul brown case (same as Gibson LP Standard) instead of Gibson Custom Hard Shell Case. Is it true ?

Please kindly provide back with your feedback asap so that I am able to make the decision further.

Thank in advance.
 

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Hopefully Scatterbrain will see this thread. He's well versed in the history of LPs (USA & Custom Shop). If anyone can answer your question I'd think it'd be him!
 

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1. True, COAs were possible but very unusual for 1997.

2. Early 1997s had the brown Gibson USA case with the pink blanket, later in the year the first version of the black Custom, Art and Hisoric case came out and it was replaced with the second version in 1999. So 1997 could have either a Gibson USA case or a Historic case depending on how early in 1997 it was made and SN 9 7066 is pretty early!

So those two things would be normal for a 1997 R9 and based on those two things alone there is no need to worry. But pictures would be helpful.
 

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Hi SKATTERBRANE

thanks for your information. However, I just wonder that the serial number "9 7066" is 1997 or 2007.

Thanks in advance
 

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... However, I just wonder that the serial number "9 7066" is 1997 or 2007.

Thanks in advance

Don't know why you are concerned about a piece of paper or what colour a case is when a

photo of headstock face is all that's needed.
 

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I tried to research on the serial no. and found that if they were produced before 2000, there would be 6 digits example "9 97066" but if they were produced after 2000, there would be only 5 digits example "9 7066". Not sure whether my understanding is correct
 

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I tried to research on the serial no. and found that if they were produced before 2000, there would be 6 digits example "9 97066" but if they were produced after 2000, there would be only 5 digits example "9 7066". Not sure whether my understanding is correct

there are thousands of R9's built after the year 2000 with six digit serial numbers...
 

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I tried to research on the serial no. and found that if they were produced before 2000, there would be 6 digits example "9 97066" but if they were produced after 2000, there would be only 5 digits example "9 7066". Not sure whether my understanding is correct

That is not true. The SN 9 7066 could be either 1997 or 2007. They only have 6 digits oif it gets over 999 uniits made like this: 9 7999 and then 971000 (no space between 9 and 7) In general they did not make over 999 units before 1999. In 2007 they made over 1000 units.

So your 9 7066 could be either 1997 or 2007. But just a picture of your fretboard inlays will solve that.
 

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Pictures are not great, but judging by the color of the knobs and the gap in the pickguard, it is not a 2007, but a 1997.

It seems like it is what the seller claims. The color and the burst pattern is typical for the mid 90's as well.

The only thing is the toggle switch may have been changed out, but it is not impossible for a Historic to be shipped with a cream (rather than amber) toggle switch in the 90s.
 

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The configuration of the tuners (parallel) would indicate this is a 1997, as well.


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Yes, those are pre 2003 inlays, and the treble/rhytym switch is 90s style as well. GO FOR IT!
 

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FWIW, I had a 1997 R0. No Certificate as everyone knows & it came in a Black Custom Shop Case.

Seriously great guitar.

IMHO they made some awesome Historics in 1997.

:cheers:
 

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FWIW, I had a 1997 R0. No Certificate as everyone knows & it came in a Black Custom Shop Case.

Seriously great guitar.

IMHO they made some awesome Historics in 1997.

:cheers:

Yes, the back case came a bit later in the year. The 1997-1998 black Historic cases are my favorite Historic case.
 

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Yes, the back case came a bit later in the year. The 1997-1998 black Historic cases are my favorite Historic case.

in this time period a mixture of 2 type of black cases seems to exist: the ones with single neck support, and croc like tolex on the outside (only used in 97-98) and the "normal" ones....
 

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