need help on this Les paul junior 59

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how does it feel and sound?

does it feel and fit better than your R4 did....? :dunno:

what dollar figure did you use when weighing out the deal....

the old wood would always hold the advantage over the R4 in a very general way for me...

then weigh out the plus and minus of the other parts....your R4 will never have 59 wood , if that does it for you ....fine

thats where the value is for the double cut....my two cents

give it a few days maybe
 
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I wouldn't wait too long tho. That awesome 54 won't be homeless long!

In fact, if you keep the 59, let me know where that 54 is!

Drop some 50's P-90's in that bad boy and be set!
 

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my gt is arrived at rock n roll vintage chigago IL
i told em aboyt my doubts and all they can say is... it's ok bro i'll try to sort some vintage correct knobs for you... maybe.
i've checked online and they seem to be well referenced ad reputable
i feel fooled.
 

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how does it feel and sound?

does it feel and fit better than your R4 did....? :dunno:

what dollar figure did you use when weighing out the deal....

the old wood would always hold the advantage over the R4 in a very general way for me...

then weigh out the plus and minus of the other parts....your R4 will never have 59 wood , if that does it for you ....fine

thats where the value is for the double cut....my two cents

give it a few days maybe
i'm giving all the time of this world but it will never wash my mouth from that sheeetty flavour of being fooled by someone.
you know that feeling when you feel safe in an environment when everyone else love the same things as you do and respect and passion is what flows in the veins?
you feel relaxed and at home.street value of my R4 is more? no problem because i'm trading a cool 59 dc... i've always wanted that.

and then? booom. it hits you hard...
cmon a vintage dealer that know nothing on the guitar he is selling? no way
i guess it is more a scam.

"hey man.. f*uck that junior... and f*uck that silly italian boy over the pond... "

that's what is buzzing in my head now
 

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I wouldn't wait too long tho. That awesome 54 won't be homeless long!

In fact, if you keep the 59, let me know where that 54 is!

Drop some 50's P-90's in that bad boy and be set!
it would have been safer to give it to you and let you find me a fine example of a junior :laugh2:
 

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That headstock is awfully shiny and clean to warrant a replacement decal/logo.
Was it sold with a repaired headstock break or as a refin?
That photo of the back of headstock looks like there is a darker area.

Look very very very closely at the area/grain pattern between the green lines. My eyes could just be seeing things. Almost looks like grain pattern changes just above the bottom green line. Hard to tell. Nonetheless, a guitar is such great condition but with all those parts replaced poses a question.
 

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there's a fine hairline crack visible under the paint
 

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that does suck....

i would bug the hell out of them and try to get your guitar back...eat all the shipping both ways and push them hard if you are feeling that bad about it......it is worth a a bunch of calls

the sooner the better..dam sad news
 

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So sorry this has happened to you.

It's a bad feeling to have, I know.

I would be on the phone ASAP to those guys demanding my R4 be returned.

There are quite a few 59 DC Jr's out there, so there's no need to hang everything on this one.
 

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Agree 100% with what others have said. Sorry this happened!!

I know its going to be difficult, but try to give it a fair evaluation before deciding if you want to keep or return it.

Then if you do decide to keep it, I would be demanding full market value compensation for the misrepresented parts.

Btw - P90 is a Duncan Antiquity (Any reputable vintage dealer should have known that's not a 50's P90)

Edited to add - Bridge looks to my eye to be either a Kluson or Creamtone replacement.
 
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this is what i have sent to Rock and roll vintage Chicago

Hi, i need some clarification on the junior...

in your reverb listing you state that:

p90 is correct but harness is not.... but p90 is a Seymour duncan Antiquity (cool pickup but not original)
while the harness is RS as correctly depicted.

stock wraparound.... not, the tailpiece is either a creamtone, kluson or "who knows what" replacement. so not an original 59 part

the knobs are not corret too but you already know that and you are wiilling to find me some and im' thanking you

question is... what can you do for the other parts? a jr is just a plank of wood with a pickup and a tailpiece.. all the magic happens there... and the value of that guitar sits in those key elements...

i've trusted you and Rock n Roll vintage as you are highly rated vintage shop.
i've read thousand times your listing and i swear to god you didn't mention the changed parts (apart for the harness)
i appreciate the fact that you sent me the guitar as soon as possible and i'm aware that sometimes "shit happens"

that's why i'm confident that you and your team can sort out this problem for me

i hope to hear something from you soon Heith.
thank you for your understanding

Maicol Pregnolato
 

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Remember, there are many 59 LP Jr's out there.

Don't fall into the trap I have in the past, and buy with emotion because it's a '50's Gibson, rather than buying with a clear head and leaving emotion on the kitchen counter. Hard to do at times, but pays big dividends.

Just my 2 lira worth!
 

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thank you Mike! i'm a bit concerned... a trip back for my goldtop means lots of cash due to the customs. the risk of having the guitar damaged and so on. same for shipping back the jr. it's a nice guitar but now feels just like a scam
i would love to ear:

no worries Maicol
we will ship you a 1959 P90
two 59 knobs
a 59 light aluminum tailpiece with original studs
and hope that you'll be happy with your new vintage guitar.
and we will put that in a box stating GIFT so you are customs safe.

but frankly i don't think it will ever happen
 

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Looks good to me, Rock N Roll Vintage are great guys to deal with as well. I’ve bought many guitars from them over the years. Good luck!!
you know them first hand? can you please enlighten me on this beheaviour?
 

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you know them first hand? can you please enlighten me on this beheaviour?
I am SO sorry to read how this has turned out for you! Over the years I’ve purchased 5 or 6 vintage guitars from them and they have all been accurately represented in terms of originality, changed parts, etc. Heath has also been a pleasure to deal with each time. Granted, I am semi-local (3 hour drive) so most of those purchases I was able to inspect in person. I have ordered two online though through them. I feel for you as there is nothing worse than getting a guitar and opening it up and realizing it’s not what was depicted in the advertisement. It is my hope that they will make things right with you as that’s what any reputable shop would do!
 

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Again, sorry this happened to you.

Did they also disclose the changed tuners in the original ad?

Here are pics of a 50's wraptail, Kluson wraptail and a Creamtone wraptail.


50's wraptail - Here you can see how the 50's is drilled differently in the back and has softer edges.


Kluson wraptail


Creamtone wraptail
 

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Again, sorry this happened to you.

Did they also disclose the changed tuners in the original ad?

Here are pics of a 50's wraptail, Kluson wraptail and a Creamtone wraptail.


50's wraptail - Here you can see how the 50's is drilled differently in the back and has softer edges.


Kluson wraptail


Creamtone wraptail
Tuners.... don’t tell me even those are not 59...
 


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