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cjpeck

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Biggest mistake was making all the cars essentially identical, built to a cookie-cutter Association template.
the homogenized cars is the biggest problem out there. Identical bodies with a teeny different nose, identical engines, identical everything. Boring.

Stage racing is the other boogeyman in there. I get having mid race points awarded to provide an incentive not to sandbag too much, but why the yellows? It just jams up the pack and causes more accidents. Ahh, there it is. Carnage sells.
Hell, give each car 10 seconds of James Bond style smoke screen, that'll cause some stains on the drivers seats.
 

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WRC is awesome! Don't like the lame format of closed circuit racing. Give me the open courses, man that's incredible racing.
I don't really follow anymore. I did when Subaru had a team, Petter Solberg and the like. I met Petter at a Subaru event in their US base City Cherry Hill, NJ.

Takes real balls to drive those stages. NASCAR is like a checkers game in comparison.

I still drive a 2004 WRX.
 

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I found the 1979 Daytona 500 on YouTube in its entirety. First time CBS had televised it. As it got near the end, I realized I had watched at least the last few laps in '79 and remembered what was going to happen. The leaders tussled, hit the wall and ended up in the grass/mud. Richard Petty wasn't even expected to place, and from 20 sec or so back, he won. Rookie Dale Earnhardt led for 10 laps earlier, while the leaders climbed back from an earlier mishap.

And then there was the fight between the original 1st and 2nd drivers down in the grass.

And NASCAR became a force to be reckoned with for a while.
 

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I found the 1979 Daytona 500 on YouTube in its entirety. First time CBS had televised it. As it got near the end, I realized I had watched at least the last few laps in '79 and remembered what was going to happen. The leaders tussled, hit the wall and ended up in the grass/mud. Richard Petty wasn't even expected to place, and from 20 sec or so back, he won. Rookie Dale Earnhardt led for 10 laps earlier, while the leaders climbed back from an earlier mishap.

And then there was the fight between the original 1st and 2nd drivers down in the grass.

And NASCAR became a force to be reckoned with for a while.
The fight was between Donnie Allison and Cale Yarborough I believe
 

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I stopped being really interested in NASCAR when Ernie Irvan retired... though I also liked Mark Martin a lot, seeing as he lived in Daytona Beach and so was a local guy.

Then too, however, my interest began to wane somewhat after working the Daytona International Speedway on police details... started to see the events as a PITA to me, personally. Even if one was stuck just directing traffic, one sometimes ended up having to place some idiotic, usually drunken, fan under arrest or something. Man, I could tell some stories... :hmm:

But it was even worse when I transferred to a civilian occupation with the Volusia County Airport Department, and had to deal with the race crowds going to and from work.

It was a real pain in the neck. The Daytona speedway and the airport are separated by a slender ribbon of asphalt on the back stretch, and there were times when I'd have to leave home maybe an hour and a half early just to make it to work on time.

And then you had to deal with the same shit on the way home, if your shift ended at the same time as a race ended... there were times when I hung out at the airport for up to three hours after clocking out, just so I didn't have to drive in the gridlock that ensued at the end of a race. :noway:

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Back to Mark Martin, though... I met a lot of NASCAR drivers over the years because most of them arrived in private jets, and as an airfield operations agent I was often involved in determining where to tie down the sudden abundance of aircraft. I also frequently had to escort drivers and their entourages from their aircraft onto the airfield itself... see, we'd close runway 16-34 and park lots of jets there, because there simply wasn't enough ramp space to accommodate them all...

And so they needed an ops agent to escort them back and forth across controlled and active runways and taxiways, because it was only Runway 16-34 that was closed. The rest of the airfield was active and under ATC control-- hence, an escort was needed to get folks to and from their aircraft.

And so that's how I met a whole bunch of those guys.

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A lot of the drivers were really nice guys-- and of course, some were pricks. I'm not going to say who among them I disliked, though-- it wouldn't be very professional of me. Not even as a retiree... :laugh2:

But I will say this: Ernie was a real peach, and a guy on pretty much exactly the same wavelength as me-- so I quickly developed a rapport with the man and that's how I also became his fan.

Richard and Kyle Petty were both really nice fellas too-- always a pleasure to talk to either of them. When Davey Allison died in '93, I felt terrible. He was another Florida boy, just a couple of years younger than me, and he was a really swell kind of guy...

RIP/GBNF

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And then there was Mark Martin. He was the sort of person who was so easy to like that if you didn't like him, you probably didn't like anybody else, either. :thumb:

So one year I heard that Mark Martin had never won a 500. And because as a county employee I could access the speedway without a ticket (just your employee ID got you in), at the very end of the 2007 Daytona 500, I actually asked the boss to let me go to the back stretch (directly across the street from the airport) so I could watch the last five or so laps...

Mark had been leading for quite some time, and I just kind of wanted to be on hand to jump around joyously when he won the race.

BUT!

At the very last instant, Kevin Harvick-- a man I never met and didn't follow as a driver-- actually took the lead and beat Mark Martin by 0.02 seconds....

Martin lost by two-hundredths of a second? :shock:

I couldn't freakin' believe it! :facepalm:

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I was actually upset by that. I wasn't angry at Harvick or anything stupid like that, but damn... Mark Martin won all over the place, but never the Daytona 500... and he's a local guy... and... and... and...

Well, SHIT! :(

After about ten minutes of feeling extremely disappointed, however, I realized that it was a bit silly for me to actually expend emotional energy on the matter.

Screw it. I still felt bad for Martin, but I wasn't about to commit seppuku over it. :dunno:

But still: that's the very last time I actually paid close attention to a NASCAR race-- even though I remained employed by the airport department until 2012 and so had to put up with Speed Weeks and the 4th of July races for five more years.

And Mark Martin?

Well, he never did win a Daytona 500... and despite myself, I shall pause here to sigh...

Eh, life! :hmm:

--R :dunno:
 
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I just watched a documentary on Neil Bonnet! What a tragedy! Brought a tear. The entire sport grieved, it was a real family back then. Everybody loved each other, but when the green was down it was on. Miss those days this time of year! :(
 

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So who has it rigged up this year, Gibbs or Pensky? I'm going with Gibbs.

I used to be the biggest Nascar fan, 70's-90's it was my favorite sport over everything. Seeing what it has become today is really really disappointing. Last few years i've pretty much stopped watching once baseball starts. Baby France has really fucked it up!

It used to a Gas! Now it's old burn't rubber! Thats is all!
I stopped watching after Dale died. Just could bring myself to watch it anymore.
 

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I stopped watching after Dale died. Just could bring myself to watch it anymore.
I've watched hundreds and hundreds of Nascar, Indy and F1 races.
I remember bits and pieces, but the day Dale died I remember where I was, what time it was, what I was drinking and snacking on. I remember all the interviews. The sight of Dale Jr, Michael Waltrip.. Darrel Waltrip....I remember it all.

It was the saddest day of motorsports to me that I've ever experienced.


Greg Moore's death was a close second.
 

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I've watched hundreds and hundreds of Nascar, Indy and F1 races.
I remember bits and pieces, but the day Dale died I remember where I was, what time it was, what I was drinking and snacking on. I remember all the interviews. The sight of Dale Jr, Michael Waltrip.. Darrel Waltrip....I remember it all.

It was the saddest day of motorsports to me that I've ever experienced.


Greg Moore's death was a close second.
Yeah I do too remember where I was...I was working and listening on the radio. I agree it was the darkest day in motor sport history. :(
 

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i was watching that race live on TV. i broke the news to my father who didn't see the race, who was also a big DE fan.

never forget the tone in Waltrip's voice when he was first alluding to how hard DE hit that wall, and his concern for him. that was just as the race had ended and Jr was running to his father's car. i can recall it as vividly today as the day it happened.
 

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I'll watch it because of its history. I will forgo all the pre-race hoopla. I will suffer through the inane hyperactivity of the announcers. I will channel-hop. And most of all, I will wait for the inevitable mystery Yellow Flag with less than 10 laps to go. :Ohno:
 

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I heard there are no restrictor plates in the Daytona 500 this year. Is this right?

Seems to me the only two outcomes from that would be either the race spreads out and they ruin one of the sport's remaining spectacles... or a car really is going to fly into the stands and kill a bunch of people (they've come really close).
 

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Not in my attention span. Give me 40 laps. 25 for crashes and 15 for racing. The other 210 laps bore the fuck out if me.
 

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I heard there are no restrictor plates in the Daytona 500 this year. Is this right?

Seems to me the only two outcomes from that would be either the race spreads out and they ruin one of the sport's remaining spectacles... or a car really is going to fly into the stands and kill a bunch of people (they've come really close).
yes and no.
they flat 1/8" plate with four holes in it between the 'air cleaner' and carb are gone. /
Replaced by a 'tapered spacer', essentially a slightly less than 1 inch thick "plate" with conical venturi tubes machined int it.. Dose exactly the same thing. just more consistently between individual parts than a flat plat.
 




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