My Review of the Gibson Murphy Lab (Heavy Aged Les Paul)

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You say you don’t feel strongly, but your words imply otherwise.
Also, why suggest something to the creator of the video when it adds no value to the review, except to add length and maybe persuade those who can’t think for themselves?
Simply, because I have to be on repeatand it does get annoying to repeat my reasonings over and over. But again whatever.

Dude give it a rest will ya?Jesus Christ…

And yes, it is a controversial statement.
Why? Because you’re advertising freely on here for us to watch.
It does beg the question, as to why you’re posting your YouTube video on here if you don’t care for our thoughts.
Hmmmm :rolleyes:

Don’t even bother responding, you and the rest who don’t seem to get the point and jump to “conclusions” are too tiresome LOL.

I’m done with explaining my side on this thread, I’ve said my piece
and @landguitar gave the perfect response.
 
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Really enjoyed this well made video. I do think that people do take guitar videos too seriously - they are just some NSFW guitar porn to enjoy. At the end of the day, the thing that guitar videos can't do is describe or present the most important factor of any guitar - and that is the feel of playing that guitar. So it's just all good fun admiring the tops, listening to the sounds, writing in the comments, and working on the GAS.

This was a great video and you have a new subscriber!
 

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Don’t you feel like coming up with your own conclusion though? He did a great job going over everything in detail and left it up to you to decide for yourself. I don’t need or want someone to tell me what to think

100% agree. Make your own mind up. I don’t get why people are making such a big deal about it. Don’t watch his channel if you don’t like it. I didn’t realize there was some internet law that a review had to have a conclusion. Some people will complain about anything.

@yeatzee People will down vote any and everything. You will never make everyone happy. Forget about them and keep creating content your way.
 

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My two cents: these type videos discuss the guitar being used, the amp, pickups, pedals, etc... but never mention what equipment was used and how was it used to record these videos?

Whether this was mention or not I didn't catch it.

I use to do quite a bit of concert recordings (i.e. Phish) and the lineage of the recording were almost as important as the recording otself

Doing sound comparison video and using crappy equipment IMO defeats the whole purpose of the video?
 

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What sort of “conclusion” are people looking for beyond a summary of the good, the bad, and the in-between? A numerical score? An Ebert thumbs up/down? A statement about whether he did or didn’t buy it? I don’t get it.
 

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If you need to be told what to think, after being presented with that thorough of an evaluation of something, the guy who made the video is not the problem.
:cheers2:

I seems like, the more labour you lay in a review, the better chance the review has to get criticized.
I Iiked this review very much.
Not an uncommon trend! Thanks

I'm in the minority but I'm not overly into the tele-on-steroids Les Paul thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't like muddy pickups. I like the top end I just like it to be slightly rounder and more compressed than a single coil. Wizz has this on many of their pickups. OTPG does big time. And the stock pickups in my ML R8 has it. Subjective of course but that's what I look for. I found the ML guitar used in your video review to be a little muddy though.

Great video, I really enjoyed the side-by-side comparisons.
Enjoyed reading your thoughts! Great example of how subjective this all is. There's a tone for everybody, and thankfully there's gear to get you there no matter what the goal is!

I've actually played his Gibson Gold Top and I'll tell you it's unlike any other Les Paul I've ever played. Very bright and clear, almost a single-coil sound. I guess this is what people describe as "Tele on Steroids." Personally, while I enjoyed playing that guitar greatly, it's not the Les Paul for me; but, it's a wonderful guitar and it suits Yeatzee's playing style perfectly. The video does a good job of showing that sound vs. a more traditional LP sound from the ML.
Thanks for watching Mike. Agreed on basically all points, but especially this last bit. There's a reason why I kept adding qualifiers when I talked about preferring the tone of the goldtop. It's the best LP I've ever played... but that's for me and my preferences, my playing styles, my ears. You like harder rock stuff and adore your customs, which sound very different. Neither of us invalidate the other! I'd be a fool to say this guitar is better sounding like it's a fact. It's just not, it is to me and maybe even the majority of those that listened judging by the comments, but again tone is 100% subjective.

Really enjoyed this well made video. I do think that people do take guitar videos too seriously - they are just some NSFW guitar porn to enjoy. At the end of the day, the thing that guitar videos can't do is describe or present the most important factor of any guitar - and that is the feel of playing that guitar. So it's just all good fun admiring the tops, listening to the sounds, writing in the comments, and working on the GAS.

This was a great video and you have a new subscriber!
Nothing beats having the guitar in your hand and you playing it. That is something no video can accomplish. I don't think that discounts the helpfulness of these videos for those in the market for whatever is being shown, but I also 100% understand watching purely for the gear porn!

100% agree. Make your own mind up. I don’t get why people are making such a big deal about it. Don’t watch his channel if you don’t like it. I didn’t realize there was some internet law that a review had to have a conclusion. Some people will complain about anything.

@yeatzee People will down vote any and everything. You will never make everyone happy. Forget about them and keep creating content your way.
I mean I touched on my own personal conclusions throughout the video. I wouldn't buy the ML, I wouldn't pay that much for a guitar and no part of the ML's tone or feel made me feel like I had to have it. I just didn't say you the watcher need to do XYZ, which some took offense to for some odd reason. All good either way, any content creator is well aware that no matter how hard they try, there will always be a sour puss to come downvote your video and complain :rofl: I mean I literally had YT comment on my ABR1 comparison video saying the whole video is invalidated because I didn't use a looper pedal..... go ahead and think that one through :facepalm:

Doing sound comparison video and using crappy equipment IMO defeats the whole purpose of the video?
Well that's an odd take haha. Just to clarify, you're saying you can't determine with your ears if something sounds good or not unless you know what gear was used to record what you're hearing? Does the playing bit (a small chunk of the video) sound like I was using crappy equipment or got crappy results? I mean if so, to each their own...

While I haven't finished watching the video yet - 32 minutes is something I need to carve out time for, and especially since I want to pay full attention, as I have been considering one of these and reading all the issues and concerns - I wanted to respond to a few comments.

I think 32 minutes without a conclusion might be a bit much.....
...Did you watch the video yet? I make plenty of conclusions. I like this, I don't like this, be aware of this, etc etc. What I didn't do is say at the end Do NOT buy this guitar or BUY this guitar. That's what a select couple are complaining about.
 

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Well that's an odd take haha. Just to clarify, you're saying you can't determine with your ears if something sounds good or not unless you know what gear was used to record what you're hearing? Does the playing bit (a small chunk of the video) sound like I was using crappy equipment or got crappy results? I mean if so, to each their own...

Well, I listened using my crappy computer using crappy internal speakers that used a crappy chinese made sound card, so you don't have to be rocket scientist to come to that conclusion.

Using lossy sound files introduces artifacts and some (MP3) cuts off at around 18KHz Weak Low End.

One would think the viewer would factor in how it was recorded just as much what is being recorded?

Also microphones and its placement to record makes a huge difference in capturing sound.



It is the same thing when someone takes photos of their guitars. Do you prefer crappy photos or high quality photos?
 

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Well, I listened using my crappy computer using crappy internal speakers that used a crappy chinese made sound card, so you don't have to be rocket scientist to come to that conclusion.
I mean... what am I supposed to do about that? Grab a set of nice headphones or speakers and listen then? :)

It is the same thing when someone takes photos of their guitars. Do you prefer crappy photos or high quality photos?
You're jumping between two very different things here. Does it sound good? If you're just trying to determine if something sounds good or not, and the answer is yes it does, how does the recording gear matter if the end result is good? The gear might help explain why something sounds good (or bad), but that's not the question here. None of the video has anything to do with that. If you dont think it sounds good for whatever reason, I can't help ya there. Agree to disagree :)

Btw A good photo does not stop being a good photo when you find out it was shot with a Canon rebel instead of a hasselblad. I'm trying to understand your perspective here but obviously falling short.
 

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@yeatzee I'm really not a fan of this "social"(?) media craze, definitely getting tired of the Youtube boom, for reasons that personally at least i find justified.

Even so, and credit where due, you do some really good work.
Had forgotten your channel's name, was actually searching for you.. had checked one of your videos out some time ago and recalled how good the recording was and how well thought out the comparisons and setups were, you stood out; so thanks for re-acquainting me i suppose :)
And again, great work. What videos i've seen of you? You could have done cheaper or faster work -others sure did in similar videos- and most wouldn't have noticed; i think anyway. But you didn't, so props for the extra mile.

On a personal level and by all means feel free to ignore this portion, may i ask how come one so young manages to have such a guitar collection? Yes, am honestly curious; our average income may pale in comparison to that of US, but even that factored in.. needless to say, good for you anyway. Just curious.

Keep at it and hopefully it will pay off. My best wishes,
Old Fart
Totally get those sentiments, and thanks I appreciate that.

As for the last bit, I buy everything used and it's taken me many years to get what I've got. I'm also not a career musician so I have steady income, but I've actually made a point to buy everything with music-related income as much as possible. So gigs, sessions, patches, flipping gear, etc. Each guitar I own actually has a pretty great story of how I ended up with it. None of which involves going into a music store or paying MAP haha
 
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We do include veiled political references, or references-by-proxy as being "political" comments, of course. I'm sure I need not explain this, seeing as offered your remark in the apparent knowledge of what political values you were assigning to the member you were speaking to.

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It is what it is. You don't like it move along. If you do more power to him. Thanks for the review!
 

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*sigh*

I'm really not interested in doing back and forth's with the 2 people that clearly just want to argue, I let the thread lie hoping that stuff would fizzle but here we are.

The fact that me saying "I couldn't care less what conclusion people come to after the video" is perceived as a controversial statement worth retracting to save face is insane. I will repeat it. I, Tanner Yates, do not care what conclusion you come to after watching my video(s) :) My goal has nothing to do with spoon feeding conclusions to someone watching so that they think exactly like me.

Did this review convince you to pull the trigger on that ML you've been eyeing? Awesome! Happy NGD, I hope you enjoy the guitar to the fullest and play tons of music on it. Conversely, did it convince you to steer clear of ML for good or until they fix some of the issues I pointed out? Great, happy to have helped make you a more informed consumer and maybe saved you some cash/headaches in the long run.

Either way I look at it as a win. I don't care which way anyone falls on that because I'm not trying to convince people to think a certain way, that's not the goal... and I have no stake in the game. I've already written out the goal of the video in my earlier response. FWIW you want to know how much I've made from YouTube on this video now that it's hit 4k views? Under $6, and I can't even get that payout from YT until i've crossed $100 total :rofl: I do this because I love guitars, I love Gibson, and I myself was very curious about the ML and saw nobody had done a legit review.

There's something for everyone on the internet, don't waste your time on content you're unhappy with... and if there's not content that matches what you're looking for get off your butt and try creating it yourself like I have here ;)

I'll pop back in after work to respond to all of the rest of the comments. I've enjoyed reading everyone's takes so far. Also wanted to mention there's some exciting stuff on the way, including a ES345 comparison with a 64, 65 and my 64 reissue. I'm probably not going to conclude that one saying you should or shouldn't buy XYZ so be forewarned and avoid if that's important to you ;)
I dig what you do and how you do it. I hope the critics don’t deter you. Keep up the great work and THANK YOU!
 

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Am I allowed to review this thread, but not really say if I approve or not?
Of course! It’s a free forum. But I think you may find people don’t really need to seek your approval.
 

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