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Maybe they can just hire someone competent?

I have maybe seen 5 realistic Gibson aging jobs ever in my life. Just walk into a random guitar store that sells Fender customshop guitars and you can find more than 5 realistic aged guitars.
 

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Yes it was an excuse for a price hike. My 2019 60th 1959 factory aged was $6999. Now same guitar is $10k for 2021.

One builder did say that the nitro is now closer to the non plasticized that HM and others use but not sure if true and also would not cause a big price increase. Maybe a small price increase as it goes on thinner and maybe longer to cure.
 

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I wonder how Fender sells aged, lacquer finished guitars for $1150. The Vintera Road Worn '50s Tele looks pretty good, as artificially aged guitars go.
 

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I wonder how Fender sells aged, lacquer finished guitars for $1150. The Vintera Road Worn '50s Tele looks pretty good, as artificially aged guitars go.
One word. Mexico.
 

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@GearHo ^ Gibson refuses to even use the correct GT formula to do that...
 

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Gibson has reinvented another way to go deeper into your pocket, 10k fuckin historics!!!

a long time ago in another forum, the elders shouted loud and proud, that no historic would ever be worth this much.....then along came the collectors choice models, and it spiraled upwards from there.

JC and his lab rats are laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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Seriously, that‘s the best they can do? But they wear lab coats....
 

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Seriously, that‘s the best they can do? But they wear lab coats....
Quite amusing isn’t it. Like some kind of sterile environment is required in order to make a guitar look old

use the correct nitro, leave it outside in winter for a few days, bring it back and leave it next to the radiator for a few days, then drop it onto a gravel surface from the height of a touring bus luggage rack a few times; and that’ll do it
 

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Just look at Fender, they glorify each and every master builder, pick your favorite guy. Gibson relies on their most notorious aging / painting specialist, to advance the unknown Luthier in the lab. It just seems phony to me, its a kinda, sorta, murphy aged les paul. Its not that all of them are terrible looking, I have seen some that are decent.

Its the confusing illusion that Gibson has Tom involved, so is he in the lab? , or does he just stop by......

Once again, its the new ownership, tripping on their dick for more money....true historic, murphy lab, all with significant price increases, and marginal improvements year after year after year.
 

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Just look at Fender, they glorify each and every master builder, pick your favorite guy. Gibson relies on their most notorious aging / painting specialist, to advance the unknown Luthier in the lab. It just seems phony to me, its a kinda, sorta, murphy aged les paul. Its not that all of them are terrible looking, I have seen some that are decent.

Its the confusing illusion that Gibson has Tom involved, so is he in the lab? , or does he just stop by......

Once again, its the new ownership, tripping on their dick for more money....true historic, murphy lab, all with significant price increases, and marginal improvements year after year after year.

OK but there is one Masterbuilder at Fender who does probably the worst relic finish I have ever seen. It looks like a power sander is taken to the finish. And how does a slab board bolt on neck guitar compare to a Les Paul for the amount of work involved? I just bought a relic MJT Strat body for $350 that beats almost anything I have seen from Fender.

I think the new finish with less plasticizer from Murphy Lab is a good thing. I think freezing the guitar to cause finish cracks is lame and should cost less than the razor meathod. But depending on how much time they are putting ito each guitar, the guys at Gibson deserve to earn a fair living and Gibson keeps going bankrupt so where is the excess profit?
 

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OK but there is one Masterbuilder at Fender who does probably the worst relic finish I have ever seen. It looks like a power sander is taken to the finish. And how does a slab board bolt on neck guitar compare to a Les Paul for the amount of work involved? I just bought a relic MJT Strat body for $350 that beats almost anything I have seen from Fender.

I think the new finish with less plasticizer from Murphy Lab is a good thing. I think freezing the guitar to cause finish cracks is lame and should cost less than the razor meathod. But depending on how much time they are putting ito each guitar, the guys at Gibson deserve to earn a fair living and Gibson keeps going bankrupt so where is the excess profit?
I never said anything about the fender vs gibson price points, nor did I defend the over zealous aging committed by more than one of the fender custom shop builders. Less is more.... more authentic. Heavy aged guitars can only be done by certain people well. HM, DJ, and a few others come to mind.

Dont confuse filing for bankruptcy as going out of business, it is more of a restructuring of debt that is taking place, Gibson obviously is still here.

Your much more committed than I am when it comes to Gibson employees and what the "deserve" , their longevity will lie in the hands of upper management, not me. That is where the excess profit you referred to in your post is going.

Aging guitars has turned into a cash cow for many guitar companies, done right it can be very appealing. Done wrong, and it looks foolish and contrived. At this elevated price point, there should be very little room for error.
 

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Personally I would want a '59 reissue with a Brazilian board and a thin nitro finish with no plasticizer and a non gloss finish but with no aging. I don't think Gibson has ever done that on reissues and I doubt they will have any more Brazilian boards unless it is a very limited run.

I am having a guitar like that custom built instead.
 

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My ultra light aged should hopefully match that in 60 years, i'll be 115, it's the future right? they'll be able to keep me alive till then.
 

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Just like with the Fender Masterbuilders being some good a shaping necks and others better at aging finishes, I think you will find some variation from guitar to guitar at Gibson Murphy Lab too.

I am not a fan of sanding the finish to create wear spots and am not a fan of freezing the finish to crack it. Sorry I do not mean to offend anyone. I think the razor blade when very lightly done on the clear coat is ok. I do not like it on the headstock that much.

The more I look at my Gibsons the more I think HM still is doing the best job at aging along with some other individual luthiers....and I am speaking as the owner of several aged Gibsons so I am criticizing my own gear here not commenting on anyone elses axe.
 

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Here a Build a Burst (very good overall and the wear on the edge is passable):

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Here's a HM (very good overall except sanded spot - I have seen better from them).

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Here's a 2018 Murphy (Very good overall and the wear spot is decent - similar to Build a Burst)

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