- Sep 4, 2015
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Excuse me but that last post was really funny.....not one like or happy face. You folks are in a bad mood this weekend.
After 20 years of experimenting with experimental relicing techniques, one does not have enough experience to know what happens to the relics after 40 years.
A relic'd guitar is not an aged guitar - it's brand new. A stone washed, ripped pair of jeans is not a worn pair of jeans - it is a brand new pair of jeans that's been ripped and stone washed. But after being worn it will actually wear and age. A relic'd guitar is also a brand new product that will eventually age. It's experimental, we don't know what the effect of time and actual wear and tear will produce in due time. We'll have to wait and see. Some of it we're already seeing. No surprise. Expecting that a relic'd guitar would stay as is for any extended period of time would be like expecting stone washed jeans to stay the same forever.
A relic'd guitar is a fake. Like a counterfeit, it just has to last long enough to be sold.
No thanks! Gees that’s an extreme repair. I’ll take the properly glued together crack with refin in that area to blend into old finish. Invisible and just as solid as no break
Not interested in turning guitar into a Chibson with a scarf joint
Although an aged guitar may not age as well , as you say . It should not be viewed as a fake , like a counterfeit ,
many of us choose aged as a finish option , It was a + - 9k $ guitar built by Gibson Custom Shop . Not a counterfeit .
Although it is not a counterfeit, in a sense that it is an unauthorized copy, it is also not a genuine article, in a sense of what it represents. It is made to look like something that it is not.
... but a fake in a sense that it is made to look like something that it is not.
So a aged Gibson is like a Picasso , got it !
I really loved the analogy. The only thing that is missing out of this interpretation is that you touch and utilize guitars, in contrast with simply looking at it like a painting. I mean yeah, you could touch and use a painting for something like a coffee table top haha, but the purpose of it is for your eyes' consumption.
The visual makeup of a Murphy Lab is one component, but the feel and sound that it makes is its core for me. I recommend that you give one a try. You may not come out of that experience with the same result as I have, but for me my ML was by far the best feeling and sounding guitar I had ever used.
In essence, I returned my ML for a replacement as per Gibson's instructors as they have told me my guitar had a defect. This defect just so happens to affect its visual makeup, however it could ultimately affect its usage and sound with time. It was a hard decision for me to accept to return it and take the gamble that the one they will give me in return connects as much as that one did. Can't wait to try out my replacement when it arrives... fingers crossed.
I think that everyone realizes this is an emotionally packed topic. I love my lp's and 335's and as such will defend Gibson when asked. That being said, if someone has some first hand experience, perhaps even extensive experience seeing ML finishes and QC, this appears to be a pretty good place to show and express them. Given the thread title, everyone should be open minded to differing opinions other than their own. I would boring otherwise, right?
My repair was not a scarf joint, it was a graft that had to be done. The customer brought the guitar to me because someone else had already attempted a repair, using Gorilla glue. Parts of the grain were shredded and contaminated with a previously botched repair attempt, using Gorilla glue.
Many priced violins, including Stradivarius violins, have had numerous repairs done on them over the centuries. I've once handled a valuable violin that had a peghead replacement, executed with a scarf joint. Despite the scarf joint the violin still sold for more than a new Mercedes.
Sometimes extreme luthery is the only option for those who want the work done properly and structurally sound.
If you ever have a broken Gibson headstock with an end grain fracture, one might attempt to reglue it without any reinforcements. But it will not hold up. To make that kind of glue joint structurally sound you'll need to take it to a shop where they can do a proper repair, will require some kind of splines or graft.
I've fixed quite a few previously botched headstock repairs. In fact I am working on one as we speak. This one was an previous end grain fracture that someone else tried to fix with two short splines. That previosu repair failed. Now the guitar is on my bench. I first reglued it the way it was, then removed wood to make a graft. If you have any better ideas how to fix this one, I'm all ears.
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Perhaps I should change that MADE IN USA into MADE IN CHINA so people know this is just a scarf joint Chibson.
Thanks. At least they had enough time…According to Gibson the issue was solved.
I have not seen any complaints on the forums for guitars made after summer 2021 at least…
My personal opinion, which is worth nothing haha, is that with a December 2021 manufacturing date you are on the safe side…