Movers, deputies refuse to evict 103-year-old woman

[SteveGangi]

Just feed the old people to the dogs, right? Jesus, who raised you, wolves?

I doubt it - wolves tend to support and defend their pack members.

 

[SteveGangi]

This is the only information google turned up for me. Kind of what I expected. Hopefully they have other family members that are stepping in.

How many years ago, and was he the owner of the property? This still doesn't sound quite right.

Just looking at this sliver of info and assuming the worst, if some relative of mine took out a mortage on MY house and then defaulted, getting me kicked out, I'd shoot him AND the banker who made the loan. At 104 wtf are they gonna do - give me life?

 

[lunchbox]

Yeah I read about that, but it's a very small portion of actual mortgages this has happened to. It's a sad thing, but it's almost for sure not the case here.

More than likely the case is this lady and her daughter re-financed at least once (they were there for 54 years) for a quick buck, rather than paying off their house. There's cases of this across the country pre-collapse...and now they can't afford it. People re-financing to get out of a jam was and is retarded. If you can't afford your house, you should have sold it and moved into a smaller house. Not whined to the taxpayer that you've ****ed up repeatedly and can't afford your home anymore. I have no sympathy for those people, as I said earlier.

I feel sorry that lots of people are so uneducated that they jump at the sign of "free money" when in actuality it's credit that they will most likely not be able to pay off. Some people need to learn this the hard way, and that's their problem, not mine or yours (taxpayer).

Sorry, Morrow. It's just not that simple. Everything isn't black or white, but many shades of grey and illegal activities by some of the major banks.

And I've never read once that anyone being evicted for not paying their mortgage has whined to the average taxpayer to bail them out. I do, however, remember Citigroup, BofA, Wells Fargo, etc. doing just that.

Again...I thought you'd been paying attention for the last few years.

 

[morrow]

Sorry, Morrow. It's just not that simple. Everything isn't black or white, but many shades of grey and illegal activities by some of the major banks.

And I've never read once that anyone being evicted for not paying their mortgage has whined to the average taxpayer to bail them out. I do, however, remember Citigroup, BofA, Wells Fargo, etc. doing just that.

Again...I thought you'd been paying attention for the last few years.

You're right, it's not black and white, so stop thinking everyone is innocent. Most of the problem was the bad mortgages given out by the banks you listed, as well as the fannie/freddie problem. That was most of the problem, the banks are very bad.

Another part of the problem was people being retarded and re-financing for a quick buck, or getting into terrible mortgages they couldn't afford voluntarily, and then complaining later on they can't afford it but it's "wrong to kick them out" (thus the taxpayer bails them out). If you've never seen or heard of that, it's you that hasn't been paying attention for the past few years.

 

[morrow]

Just feed the old people to the dogs, right? Jesus, who raised you, wolves?

And who raised you, kiddo? Ma and pa entitlement society? If someone can't afford their mortgage, don't re-finance to a worse mortgage for a quick buck, get into an apartment or cheaper home. Sheesh.

The banks are terrible, but a lot of idiots signed into bad mortgages and re-financing too. Open your eyes, son!

 

[Rich]

Another part of the problem was people being retarded and re-financing for a quick buck, or getting into terrible mortgages they couldn't afford voluntarily, and then complaining later on they can't afford it but it's "wrong to kick them out" (thus the taxpayer bails them out).

Kind of like the banks that were over leveraged.

 

[PraXis]

Maybe they got suckered into one of them reverse mortgages.

But Robert Wagner looks so trustworthy in that commercial!

 

[Lungo]

How many years ago, and was he the owner of the property? This still doesn't sound quite right.

Just looking at this sliver of info and assuming the worst, if some relative of mine took out a mortage on MY house and then defaulted, getting me kicked out, I'd shoot him AND the banker who made the loan. At 104 wtf are they gonna do - give me life?

Considering how long the residents have been living there, it might be safe to guess that the grandson was given a loan on the house which was co-signed for by the owner(s). I don't know for sure but if I had to guess I'd say this is a case of a deadbeat grandson taking advantage of granny's generosity.

 

[Lurko]

And who raised you, kiddo? Ma and pa entitlement society? If someone can't afford their mortgage, don't re-finance to a worse mortgage for a quick buck, get into an apartment or cheaper home. Sheesh.

The banks are terrible, but a lot of idiots signed into bad mortgages and re-financing too. Open your eyes, son!

I'm not your son, boy.

You need to do some serious soul-searching if you're cool with kicking a 103-year old woman to the curb.

 

[morrow]

I'm not your son, boy.

You need to do some serious soul-searching if you're cool with kicking a 103-year old woman to the curb.

[email protected], I laughed my ass off. Good comeback

So it's the person that counts, not the act of right vs wrong? If it was a middle aged person it would be OK? Sounds to me like you're into descrimination!

 

[HOT-BRIT]

The times they are a changing

 

[Lurko]

On a related note:
Tracy Lawrence, Notary Public Who Blew The Whistle On Massive Foreclosure Fraud, Found Dead

 

[Mike-t]

[email protected], I laughed my ass off. Good comeback

So it's the person that counts, not the act of right vs wrong? If it was a middle aged person it would be OK? Sounds to me like you're into descrimination!

Some people can't see beyond their grandparents faces when they see old people. I sure there are some whack job old timers out there who do some messed up shiz but they're old, so its OK.

I love it when people generalize their feelings for different groups of people rather than base it on the individual. I'm sure that they have just as many generalizations about other groups people that they just don't say out loud...

 

[lunchbox]

Another part of the problem was people being retarded and re-financing for a quick buck, or getting into terrible mortgages they couldn't afford voluntarily, and then complaining later on they can't afford it but it's "wrong to kick them out" (thus the taxpayer bails them out). If you've never seen or heard of that, it's you that hasn't been paying attention for the past few years.

They were called 'predatory loans' for a reason. The sales people at companies like Countrywide laughed their asses off (to the bank) when people in financial trouble would buy or re-fi their homes with an ARM starting at 2.9%, telling them that there was very little chance, if any, the the rate would ever go up. Not everyone could understand the legalese that was used in all those contracts, nor how an ARM could affect them in the future, because it wasn't exactly presented to them realistically. In fact most couldn't and didn't quite understand what they were getting into at all. And how were people making a 'quick buck' off a re-fi?

Should the homeowner bear some responsibility? Sure, to some degree. But I also believe in ethical business practice. These mortgage companies and banks giving out these loans knew exactly what they were doing, and it was far from ethical.

 

[morrow]

Should the homeowner bear some responsibility? Sure, to some degree. But I also believe in ethical business practice. These mortgage companies and banks giving out these loans knew exactly what they were doing, and it was far from ethical.

While it is true that most people are uneducated when it comes to fiscal responsibility, no one held a gun to their head saying sign on the dotted line.
No one dead that when I bought my home.
People like to hear what they want to hear. Loan sharks take advantage of that. Always have, always will. Predatory lending is the same. People wanted the quick buck instead of the responsible purchase or rental.
They bear the majority of the responsibility. Stop defending them. They are no better than the evil/corrupt banks.

 

[SteveGangi]

Considering how long the residents have been living there, it might be safe to guess that the grandson was given a loan on the house which was co-signed for by the owner(s). I don't know for sure but if I had to guess I'd say this is a case of a deadbeat grandson taking advantage of granny's generosity.

That sounds like the most reasonable theory.

 

[lunchbox]

While it is true that most people are uneducated when it comes to fiscal responsibility, no one held a gun to their head saying sign on the dotted line.
No one dead that when I bought my home.
People like to hear what they want to hear. Loan sharks take advantage of that. Always have, always will. Predatory lending is the same. People wanted the quick buck instead of the responsible purchase or rental.
They bear the majority of the responsibility. Stop defending them. They are no better than the evil/corrupt banks.

The fact that some of these companies are now being investigated and paying fines for their corrupt practices shows that they were far from practicing ethical business.
On the other hand, the buyers were, in most cases, lied to. So how are the buyers = evil banks exactly?

You're right, no one held guns to their heads. But in business there are laws protecting customers from outright lies (like the old bait & switch), which is what these companies did to attain these sales and re-fi's, and basically what an ARM is.

It has nothing to do with anyone (besides the lenders) making a 'quick buck'. I don't even know how you came to that conclusion. Where are the 'quick bucks' that people were making? How did they do that exactly when they were shelling out money to buy a home?

 

[LPSGME]

So it's a "heroic act" to NOT evict people that aren't making their mortgage payments?!
Yep, just roll that over to the taxpayers, thanks the honorable thing!
I'd way rather see people standing up to the gov...rather than helping tax evaders.

How are they tax evaders for not paying their mortgage payments?

If you want to talk taxes - consider that one of the reasons (perhaps the only reason) these poor women could ill afford to live in their home was that the government was forcing them (at gun point) to pay for the salaries and pensions of those sheriff deputies (by a tax on their shelter - a necessity of life) without any regard to their income.

Sounds more like tax invaders at work than evaders.

 

[Gooner]

I have no sympathy for people that repeatedly make terrible financial decisions, and then want to get bailed out by the taxpayer. No one held a gun to my head saying I needed to refinance my condo to a bad mortgage. Personal responsibility.

How about social responsibility? Let the old dears stay in the house 'till they kick off, then the bank gets the house, where does the "Tax payer" come in? Surely if they are booted out, that's when it costs the tax payer!

 

[Axis Bold As Fuzz]

So it's a "heroic act" to NOT evict people that aren't making their mortgage payments?!
Yep, just roll that over to the taxpayers, thanks the honorable thing!
I'd way rather see people standing up to the gov...rather than helping tax evaders.

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