MIJ Pickup Data thread

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Any way of making this a "Sticky"?
T

 

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Sticky, Sticky, Sticky
This valuable info is getting buried
I referenced this at least a dozen times
T

 

[jacco]

1978 DiMarzio SD neck: 13.57, bridge: 13.85
1981 DiMarzio PAF neck: 7.60, bridge: 7.68

any updates?

 

[muccax]

hi
i got a eg 59-50 from 1983 ,,,,serial 3 0050 ..
and i was taking off the cover on the pickups ,,, the are screaming 82
but to my big surprice ,,, they are maxon pickups they only have 2 holes in the bobbinds ,,, so they must be maxon ,,, but has screaming stickeres on the bottoms ,,,,, i know it is a 83 ...but i have 82 models with fujigen pickups ,,, not easy with greco

all the best
otto

 

[reborn old]

...and they are exceptional Grecos !

Here is a summary for Greco + Maxon pickups some asked for.
I averaged values and omitted several extreme values, due to the sample being small.
"insufficent data" also means the sample was too small.
All other brands were left out for this reason.

Greco pickup summary (mildest to hottest, by magnet type):
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DRY 1982......Alnico 3: neck 7.33 k Bridge 7.40 k..average......20,000 Yen
DRY Z............Alnico 3: neck 7.39 k Bridge 7.46 k..average......20,000 Yen



GROOVE...........Alnico 5: neck 7.61 k Bridge 7.76 k...insuf data...16,000 Yen
U-2000............Alnico 5: neck 7.65 k bridge 7.91 k...insuf data...12,000 Yen
DOUBLE TRICK..Alnico 5: neck 7.38 k bridge 8.45 k...insuf data...18,000 Yen
U-4000............Alnico 5: neck 7.84 k bridge 8.13 k...insuf data
PU-0................Alnico 5: neck 8.09 k bridge 8.15 k...insuf data
PU-2................Alnico 5: neck 8.29 k bridge 8.51 k...average......15,000 Yen


U-1000...Alnico 7: neck 7.55 k - bridge 7.71 k....insuf data...10,000 Yen
U-3000...Alnico 7: neck 7.66 k - bridge 8.09 k....insuf data


SCREAMIN Aln Ceramic: Neck 7.64 k Bridge 7.72 k....insuf data...14,000 Yen
UD........Alnico Ceramic: neck:7.94 k bridge:7.78 k....insuf data

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It's no surprise dry Z + Dry 1982 resistance values were lowest.
Ceramic magnet neck and bridge values were generally closest to being the same resistance values.
(PU-0's only had one sample)

There is a useful pickup section in the Tonefreaks forum (including a directory sticky of aftermarket and boutique brands) here:
Pickups - My Les Paul Forums

Thanks again to everyone who took the time to submit readings.

 

[jacco]

I averaged values and omitted several extreme values, due to the sample being small.
"insufficent data" also means the sample was too small.
All other brands were left out for this reason.

DRY Z............Alnico 3: neck 7.39 k Bridge 7.46 k..average......20,000 Yen

Just a bit of feedback.

First: it's a massive job that you've taken on your shoulders; respect to you and good luck with the search for & updating the data in the future.

I feel it's important to be careful with averaging data without giving full insight in what you did with the complete data.
If we take the Dry Zs for instance; you have 6 set readings and you have omitted 2 sets, that's 33%! That might give a false indication of values. And in this case it actually does for I have posted earlier in this thread I have 5 more set readings (not measured by me) which will give a complete different view on the average bridge pup value.

IMO: if we want to value the readings for ourselves I think it's good to give us insight in:
-The total amount of set readings per model & how many readings per model you find sufficient to average the data
-How many readings you need before you start omitting data & where is the percentual line where you start omitting?


Cheers,
Jacco

 

[muccax]

hi
here are all my greco pickups data

greco egc 500 superpower 1982 neck 7,5 brigde 7.8 (maxon)
516012 stamped on the pickups
greco eg 700 1990 .... dry 1982 .. neck 7.7 brigde 7.7
greco gs 500 super power ( has the pickups changed to screaming they have stickers on the pickups so i know they are ) 1980 ...neck 7.5 brigde 7.56
greco eg 500 superpower 1980 neck 7.72 brigde 7.73 ceramic (maxon)
greco egc 600 1990 ...neck 7,36 brigde 7,3 ceramic
greco egc 500 1982 neck 7.8 brigde 7.68 ceramic (maxon)
greco egc 650 1982 ,,, dry 1982 ,,, neck 7.36 brigde 7.4
greco eg 450 1982 ,,, neck 7.50 brigde 7,59
greco eg 500 1981 super power neck 7.78 neck 7,7 ceramic (maxon)
u 2000 from a 1977 eg 700 neck 7,9 brigde 8.0
greco sg from 1990 ss600 p2 neck 8.0 brigde 7,8 ceramic
FV 1981 neck 7.8 brigde 7.7 ceramic (maxon)

all testet with my new multi instument so i know the are right

all the best
otto

 

[corksniffer]

I am not welcome in this thread.

 

[muccax]

hi
and now to the fun stuff
i got 3 tokai made greco ,,,
a egc 75
a sg ss600
and a sg ss 600 p2 (has dot markes on the neck and humbuckeres)

AND ALL OFF THE PICKUPS ARE 7.3-7.4 AND THE SS600 HAS ALNICO MAGNETS

so are the pickups that greco sent to tokai a NOS of dry 1982 they could spare ,,,, they were not making many vintage models anymore ,,,
only the long hair heavy models .... so maybe the just tog the stock parts (from the dry 82) and sendt them to tokai to use in the guitar they build for greco

please hit me with all you got i can take it

all the best
otto

 

[reborn old]

..so are the pickups that greco sent to tokai a NOS of dry 1982 they could spare
otto

Sorry, I can't answer your last question with certainty,
But Greco Dry 1982's are in the closest resistance range, so if the magnets and coil wire type can be proven to be the same,
your conclusion would be mine also. The pickups could have been installed after leaving Tokai.
There appears to be some evidence Maxon wound pickups for Gotoh, but nothing conclusive.

Thanks again for all the readings Otto, as always, you've been a big help !

I am not welcome in this thread.

Too funny,

Of course you are welcome ... just not the rest of the cork sniffer family .

 

[muccax]

hi
and thank you i think we need to help eatch other to get a good result
and i am 100 % sure the pickups are fujigen .... but i know it is a good guess ,,, but 3 x tokai made greco and 1 greco egc from 1990 .. that are the same ohm 7.3-7.4 k ohm .... get me thinking
i think they had a lot off dry 82 coils and just put cheap ceramic magnets in them ...
the were not makeing any vintage models any more ,,, only the long hair heavy model with floyd rose
so why waste a lot off good pickups .... they just used them the best way they could

just my ide
all the best
otto

 

[reborn old]

hi
i am 100 % sure the pickups are fujigen .... but i know it is a good guess ,,, but 3 x tokai made greco and 1 greco egc from 1990 .. that are the same ohm 7.3-7.4 k ohm .... get me thinking

all the best
otto

I'm happy you have benefited from all your efforts Otto.
Ceramic pickups, while clear sounding, probably have different tonal character,
possibly due to the oriented magnetic field properties of ceramic magnets.
Actually all bar magnets were/are cheap, a few dollars a piece, I think.
If you are adventurous, and shop on eBay, you can buy Alnico 3 bar magnets and replace the ceramic ones. Dry '82's might also have used different coil wire though (usually a different color and/or different wire coating), which would probably account for a larger part of the pickup price differences at the time. The only tricky part in changing magnets might be if they are wax potted, the wax might bond to the magnet. A hair dryer on a low setting, would help release the magnet and help seat the new one without damage to coils.

I find it difficult identifying later Mint Collection pickups, (when not in the original guitar) , not only because they had unlabeled/unstamped backs but because resistance ranges seem to vary so much more than earlier years, even for dry '82s.
I'm curious what capacitors were used in your four 1990 models. Where they Greco PIO's ?

One of my "no label" Greco LP pickups is 7.46k ohms, and I have asked the same questions. It sure sounds great.

 

[tonebone]

I am not welcome in this thread.

Scat!

Scram! And take that blasted cork wit' ya!

WhyyouIoughta . . .



Post some more, for crying out loud.

 

[reborn old]

a few family stragglers for ya ...

 

[tonebone]

I saw those too, reo. But I liked the effete snobbery the one I blew up exhibited.

And Mr (Mrs?) corksniffer is MORE than welcome here. I love a sense of humor. There's too little of it, and n all.

 

[lampic]

Could you help me ID this pickup ? It came in an Burny LG75GR -92, dont think its original because it should been ph4 pups in instead, seems to be made by Maxon, serienumber 200776 i think. 7.9 K. sounds nice, hade to reverse the magnet because it was out of phase with the gib 498t in bridge (common for maxon/greco pickups?) magnet silverish, slighty rough..

 

[muccax]

hi ¨
yes that is an old maxon pickup ,,,, and if has got alnico magnets ,, ´i think it is a u2000 ... got a set ,,, and i really like them a lot ....
all the best
otto

 

[wulfman]

It could be a U-1000 as well I believe.

 

[muccax]

hi
the 2 super power eg 500 from 1980/81 ,,,i got.... both has ceramic magnets ,,, and the catalogs say u1000 for eg 500 ,,,, so i dont think they are u1000 if they have alnico magnets

all the best
otto

 

[wulfman]

The U-1000s should have Alnico 8s from what I have read, but that raises a good point on how to tell the difference between the 1000 and 2000. Most U-1000s I have seen have Alnico and start with "2".

I have an 81 EG-500 with the cover off one pickups so I will see what is in that one...