Magnets, winds and wire

Lhdr

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alnico 2, alnico 5, hot wind, low wind, alnico 4. So many variables.

Is the magnet choice the most important?

If you have an alnico 2 and a hot wind would it be similar to a 5 and a low wind?

What are the attributes of these variables?
 

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I would suggest you go and search this section of the forum. About pickups generally speaking, because it seems like you are lacking even in pickup 101 knowledge. There is plenty of info out there for the taking.

So, use the initiative you possess and read up on the basics first. Then once you have some basic knowledge gained by your own resourcefulness, we can then fill in any blanks that you still might have.
 

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There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.
 

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There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.
A question is stupid if it has already been answered ;)

Seriously though... there is no simple answer to the way your question is worded.
Everything impacts the tone of the pickup... magnet material, pole material and size, coil thickness, number of turns, wire gauge, etc.....
DC resistance is not even a reliable indicator of output... you can have higher DCR on a pickup with fewer turns of a smaller wire and get lower output, or stronger magnet and get higher output with the same DCR.

The only direct answer to your question as worded:
"If you have an alnico 2 and a hot wind would it be similar to a 5 and a low wind? "
Maybe.
 

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Thank you CB91710 that’s exactly the information I needed. Didn’t know it’s that complicated. If you had to pick the one factor that has the most impact on tone would it be the magnet?
 

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So all variables are equal? There isn't one that effects the tone most?
 

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So all variables are equal? There isn't one that effects the tone most?
They are not equal but there is no universal formula, either. On one design, the magnet may be the dominant factor, because the rest of the pickup is designed to be clear and transparent, so the magnet colors its voice. On another design, the coils may be dominant, leaving magnet swaps to have less of an impact.


Pickups are not like microphones or speakers, where you can read the specs on the back of the box and know what it's going to sound like.

Just I myself could build 10 pickups that all have the same DCR and magnet type and look absolutely identical. ....but sound completely different from one another. Factor in all the various manufacturers of pickups and the parts that they are made of and the variables compound nearly infinitely.

Best to listen to lots of demos and opinions. Chances are, you're not likely to buy the pickups you keep and the first pickups you try at the same time.
 
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While this place is a great resource for opinions and advice there's simply no substitute for personal experience. There are simply too many variables to consider. Each guitar is inherently different and will influence the result from a given pickup. Finding the 'right' pickups for a particular guitar can be a long journey, but you learn a lot along the way. Or you may be totally happy with the 1st set.

Enjoy !
Daz
 

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A pickup is a system just as much a guitar is a system....

As James said above, the variables can make ten seemingly identical pickups have their individual tone colors, ten seemingly identical Lesters built the same day by the same folks can have ten different tone colors with seemingly identical features/options.

James has evaluated and built more pickups than Carter has liver pills. He is more qualified to know the minute differences and end result of those differences....

If you want specific pickup tone colors, go to someone like James that has the expertise to predict the outcome of a build.... He has seen through experience the differences in construction methods and the end result of those differences... Anybody can wind a pickup using generalities just as anyone can paint a car.... Extrapolate...
 




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