LP Standard Negative Comments

[DarrellV]

I have a 2017 Standard T and it almost plays itself. It is a phenomenal guitar

Likwise!

The rest was merely normal setup to my preferences, like relief, action and pickup height

#metoo!

but I also convinced him that a good Les Paul Standard can go head to head with any of the big guitar makers.

+1

 

[DarrellV]

AND the Les Paul standards all through the 90's and early 2000's actually were phenomenal... Way better in comparison to what they call a Standard today.

Agreed!

But I dare say you can wind that timeline back a few more years to begin in the late 70' onward through the 90's, as you have said. You would still be correct, IMO...

That stuff was generally better than Norlin era stuff.

https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/lp-standard-negative-comments.427651/post-9166182

https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/lp-standard-negative-comments.427651/post-9144216

https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/the-magical-mythical-1982-les-paul.426194/

 

[Electrolux]

Well..
Gibson Les Paul's allways (for better or for worse) stir up emotions ...
(not seldom by people, that do not own one, them selves...) .

 

[Magnets And Melodies]

Agreed!

But I dare say you can wind that timeline back a few more years to begin in the late 70' onward through the 90's, as you have said. You would still be correct, IMO...




https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/lp-standard-negative-comments.427651/post-9166182

https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/lp-standard-negative-comments.427651/post-9144216

https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/the-magical-mythical-1982-les-paul.426194/

Ok, I admit I should not have painted a wide brush on the Norlin stuff - there was great stuff in there too... in fact, just from my experience, the 70s Gibson and the 2010's Gibson guitars have some high level commonalities. Lots of weird crap was made, but there was a lot of good stuff made at the same time... was kind of a hodge podge.

 

[drpietrzak]

Really nice looking guitar. LP's, of all varieties, are great instruments. They do not lack. Some historically have been a bit spotty, but my experiences suggest it is not the norm by any means and approaches rare.

Besides, the music is you not the guitar. It is the device though which you communicate it. Love it. Use it. Let that speak for itself.

Now, I am not a great player but I do well enough. I have fun and do what I like after 50 years playing. I was asked to show up at a "jam" and did not really know the people that were going to be there or what we were doing. At that time I was using my very modified HH Strat as a grab and go. It is the "inexpensive" Strat and I had bought it used and damaged. I used it when I didn't know the context I was going into well enough to feel comfortable enough to bring a "more serious" guitar with me. It is the if someone decides to want to "play it," there is rough-housing, etc. guitar. I do not have to worry. I show up and the group are equipped with some nice PRS models, a custom shop LP and the like. I was "low class" equipped in their minds. Which meant to them I was not going to play well or sound "good."

At the point we were "done' for the day I was being asked more questions about the guitar and such as they could not believe it sounded so nice. It does not sound any nicer than any other HH style guitar. I was able to dial in and play reasonably well in that context. The guitar is not the thing in most cases The guitar is the thing that frees you mentally to get there.

The music, if what we do is music, is us.

 

[GibsonMel]

As all said above! Standards are badass!!!

Change my mind!!!!

1982 Standard, Norlin made, some say that makes mine a POS too! Not kidding!

You need to care about the haters about as little as I do, and just enjoy the heck out of that thing. Sounds like you are outclassing the bunch anyway. Find some grown ups to play with!

Left or right hand, makes no difference. Yours is all the more unique 'cause they don't make a lot of lefties.

Just my 2 cents.

And FWIW, every one that commented above, knows what they are talking about. Good people and owners of nice gear that would keep your friend's gums busy for MONTHS!!!!

EDIT: P.S. Tis customary to post of said lefty so we can give a proper , um, er... evaluation! Yeah, that's it!

Truth is, we LIKE to see other folks gear in here!

Hey Darrell,

Was just looking at the standard you posted. Does yours have a "limited color edition" emblem on the back of the neck? I picked up one I think just like it about 15 years ago. They were available in transparent white, black and fuchsia. I thought the fuchsia was so unique that I got one for my collection.

 

[GibsonMel]

First off apologies if this is the wrong area.

At seventy I just started playing guitar. I was invited to join a group of guys that jam. I see these guys on a daily basis so they aren't actually strangers. I show up to and they start asking about my guitar. I tell them it's a Gibson Les Paul Standard and It's a lefty. The reaction I got I didn't expect.

Why did you buy this thing? Why didn't you get the Traditional? A lefty? What the hell?

I don't understand. This guitar(to me) is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. To my ears it sounds perfect.

What am I missing?

The reason why there are so many people playing strats and tellies is because they can't afford a Les Paul. Have fun, and everytime you take it out of the case to play, smile.

 

[Blues_Verne]

Well here she is....I had it set up similar to Billy Gibbons LP. Tail wrapped and a set of Pearly Gates Pickups.

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That's a really nice one. You're a man of my taste. ,-) And I'm just 2 yrs yer junior, ha, ha.

 

[DarrellV]

Ok, I admit I should not have painted a wide brush on the Norlin stuff - there was great stuff in there too... in fact, just from my experience, the 70s Gibson and the 2010's Gibson guitars have some high level commonalities. Lots of weird crap was made, but there was a lot of good stuff made at the same time... was kind of a hodge podge.

^^^^ Mazactly!!!!!

You and me!

 

[DarrellV]

Hey Darrell,

Was just looking at the standard you posted. Does yours have a "limited color edition" emblem on the back of the neck? I picked up one I think just like it about 15 years ago. They were available in transparent white, black and fuchsia. I thought the fuchsia was so unique that I got one for my collection.

Mine is in fact a limited edition of 400 made in 82 -83. Candy Apple Red, gold and ebony. #23.

I believe the ones you are referring to were a special run done later in 1990 of transparent colors.

These were incredible and I would be looking for one of those fusia lovelies myself.

AND it's a standard!!!!

If he would chime in @Thunder Dump has a gorgeous trans red that I would trade body parts for from that series.

He would also know the other colors in the set.

IIRC @audiocheck has one of the fuscia ones too... Lucky guys!

EDIT: Found this quote:

I have 2 of these guitars, both made in 1990, one is the same mocha colour as yours and the other is trans amber. They have '59 rounded profile necks, 2 piece plain tops and there were only 200 made in each colour. The colours were trans amber, mocha, purple and blue. They are loaded with a pair of 490 pups

 

[DADF#AD]

When it comes to guitars, what matters is not what others like. It's what you like. If you like the feel, playability & sound of your guitar then that's all that matters. Those guys were immature to comment like they did.

Music - especially guitar based music - is about expression & feeling while playing it. It should never be about bringing others down. It should be about encouraging more instrumentalists. Congrats on starting out on guitar & I hope that you can enjoy it for many years to come!

 

[southpaw219]

The reason why there are so many people playing strats and tellies is because they can't afford a Les Paul. Have fun, and everytime you take it out of the case to play, smile.

I know this is the My Les Paul forum, but I think it's a bit reductionist to claim that people only play Strats and Teles because they can't afford a Paul. Different guitars do different things, like any other tool. I know that Clapton and Knopfler can afford anything they want. Springsteen, too. Clapton changed his tool of choice when he needed something else to suit his musical aims. LPs are great, but they're not perfect for every musical application. Let's not be overly provincial.

I don't think we need to cut down someone else's tastes to big up our own. That was the issue that initiated this thread.

 

[Thunder Dump]

If he would chime in @Thunder Dump has a gorgeous trans red that I would trade body parts for from that series.

He would also know the other colors in the set.

Gibson did the 'Limited Colours' series in 1990. For the six months starting in July 1990, they released one color a month and only 200 of each color. The first and last were Customs, and the middle four were Standards. They were, in order:

July: Transparent Red Custom
August: Transparent Amber Standard
September: Transparent Blue Standard
October: Transparent Mocha Standard
November: Transparent Fuchsia Standard
December: Transparent White Custom

They had the same specs as Customs and Standards of the day (with the exception that the Fuchsia Standard had gold hardware) and they have the "Limited Colours" decal on the back of the headstock. Dealers had to buy a set of six in order to participate in the program.

My photos don't do mine justice, but the grain on these tops is fantastic:

 

[DarrellV]

Gibson did the 'Limited Colours' series in 1990. For the six months starting in July 1990, they released one color a month and only 200 of each color. The first and last were Customs, and the middle four were Standards. They were, in order:

July: Transparent Red Custom
August: Transparent Amber Standard
September: Transparent Blue Standard
October: Transparent Mocha Standard
November: Transparent Fuchsia Standard
December: Transparent White Custom

They had the same specs as Customs and Standards of the day (with the exception that the Fuchsia Standard had gold hardware) and they have the "Limited Colours" decal on the back of the headstock. Dealers had to buy a set of six in order to participate in the program.

My photos don't do mine justice, but the grain on these tops is fantastic:

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Thanks TD!!!!

 

[Elindso]

I wouldn't care whether it's a Trad or Std. or custom. If it's a nice one and you like it the can take a hike. If it's an Epiphone and it's a nice one that's fine too.
It really nobody's business. Who would dislike someone elses guitar. That's just B.S.
Okay I have never loved a PRS I've played a few too. That doesn't they aren't nice. There's CS Jr. I like Jr. I also like my Gold top standard.

 

[GibsonMel]

Here it is, it's a 1990

 

[DarrellV]

Here it is, it's a 1990

 

[GibsonMel]

My go to guitar these days.

 

[GibsonMel]

I know this is the My Les Paul forum, but I think it's a bit reductionist to claim that people only play Strats and Teles because they can't afford a Paul. Different guitars do different things, like any other tool. I know that Clapton and Knopfler can afford anything they want. Springsteen, too. Clapton changed his tool of choice when he needed something else to suit his musical aims. LPs are great, but they're not perfect for every musical application. Let's not be overly provincial.

I don't think we need to cut down someone else's tastes to big up our own. That was the issue that initiated this thread.

Hi south, well my bad if perhaps I've said the wrong thing or perhaps put my comments in the wrong context. First let me say that I am a newbie here, so I'm still getting used to forum edicate, and I don't want you to think, that i'm using the newbie thing as a way to excuse myself from what i said about Tellies, Strats and Paul's. By the way, I do know at 65, that opinions are always subject to criticisms . After all if you think that your opinion is the only one that matters, then think again, cause I will guarantee, that you will have a plentiful amount of people that will either disagree, or have an opinion of their own.

I would like go on record that I am a Gibson guy through and through. I own numerous guitars, 16 of which are Gibson's, and also own a tellie, strat and precision bass. My first guitar at 13 was a gibson acoustic, which i trading in at 15 for an SG with P90's, which at 17 sold and bought a 56 Paul., which I still have today. The reason why I wanted you know these things is because i'm a Gibson guy. This is beyond loyalty here, very simply, a Paul is my instrument of choice, for the level that I play at. And by the way, depending on the gig or session I'm doing, sometimes the tellie or stat comes with me.

I'm bias to Gibson especially Paul's, sorry., and I'm going to stand up for the Gibson guy all day long. Sorry again. And for the "big up my own" part, hell, been playing professionally for 50 years now, call it what you want.

p.s. I'm a lover of Martin, Taylor, and PSR (have a Santana, the first thing I did when I got it was change pickup's to 57's, keys to Keystone Grovers, and loving it more and more). You can hate me for that too. lol.

 

[southpaw219]

I'm bias to Gibson especially Paul's, sorry., and I'm going to stand up for the Gibson guy all day long. Sorry again. And for the "big up my own" part, hell, been playing professionally for 50 years now, call it what you want.

p.s. I'm a lover of Martin, Taylor, and PSR (have a Santana, the first thing I did when I got it was change pickup's to 57's, keys to Keystone Grovers, and loving it more and more). You can hate me for that too. lol.

It's sad that you missed the point entirely. That point being that you don't have to shit on something to exalt something else. This whole thread began because a guy had a guitar that other people ragged on and everyone rushed to his defense because what those people did wasn't cool. Yet you turn around and do the exact same thing that they did, just reversing the brands. It's sophomoric.

I couldn't care any less if you're the ultimate Gibson fanboy. Have a cookie. Congratulations. Maybe we can mint you a medal or something. It's completely meaningless. I'm decrying denigrating someone to elevate yourself. Like what you like. And let other people like what they like. It's pretty simple.