Long tenon or short tenon?

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Hi, I recently bought a MIJ Epiphone Les Paul Special with P90 pickups made by Fujigen. I think it was made in 2006. The serial number starts F60... I’m trying to figure out if it has a long tenon or short tenon. Can anyone see which it is from looking at the picture of the neck pickup cavity? Thanks.
 

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This is what a long tenon looks like in my 2003 Vintage G400.

Long tenon 1.jpg
 

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Thanks for sending the picture. I read a post on here where someone believed that all Fujigen Les Pauls (Epiphone, Orville, Cool Z, etc) had long tenons, but mine looks nothing like yours, so makes me think probably a short tenon. It’s a lovely guitar, so doesn’t really matter. Thanks.
 

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You're welcome, but now wait ... you can't leave without showing us that marvel !
What is the serial number on it for you to say it's Japanese ?
 

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I have one of the new MIC Epiphone Les Paul Specials (Inspired by Gibson). As far as I’m aware, they stopped making them in Japan over 10 years ago, so the only ones available now are made in Gibson’s China factory. I don’t know if I got lucky, but it feels and plays beautifully. It’s got some fit and finish issues that you wouldn’t get with a MIJ guitar, eg, visibly jagged CNC routing around the pickup cavities, but it feels great to hold and play. Definitely a keeper. It has a short tenon, but for the price I’m not surprised. I think Fujigen are still making them under the Cool Z brand. I’m very tempted to buy one. A Heritage Les Paul Special is another one I’m interested in.
 

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It is a short tenon and this one looks like one from the Epiphone MIJ LQ series, lacquer and fujigen build. Top shelf guitar IMO, IIRC the "n" is the telltale as well as the lacquer finish. Long tenons are not an issue for me and it is not a factor in my purchase decisions.
 

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Here ye go :)
Lacquer Series, nice! I have one of those sitting right here in front of me now. They made thoses for two years. The color is more muted than your pics show. Mine gets played all the time. Lots of dents and dings in mine, I love it.
 

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I spoke to a luthier today who shared some interesting views about the tenon joint on Gibson style solid body guitars. In his view, a long tenon is only necessary in a SG or Les Paul DC body. In the classic Les Paul SC body a long tenon isn’t necessarily because the SC body has sufficient strength to support a short tenon. Basically, his view is that a long tenon in an SC body is overkill and does little to enhance tonality or resonance. My MIJ Epiphone Les Paul Special is incredibly resonant and has a beautiful tone, so I can see where he’s coming from. I’m talking to him about doing a custom built Les Paul SC. I’ll post pictures when it’s finished.
 

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This is an example of a long neck tenon in a 2009 Gibson Les Paul Standard. I like long neck tenons in a Les Paul type guitar because I think it is mechanically stronger wood joint. I have no idea what difference it makes to the sound of the guitar, if any.
2009 Gibson Les Paul Standard tenon 1.jpg
 
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