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Can I ask you a question? Why do you hate America so much? Nearly every post I've seen you make has had a negative comment about America.

Take it easy on him, he's got KISS in his avatar, he can't help it

 

[FrankieOliver]

What I would like to see is the removal of high fructose corn syrup from the ingredients list. I consume very little of the sort of foods it is in anyway, but that stuff is a major health problem.

That and there's a whole lot of things the FDA should be regulating besides sodium.

Oh, I'm not much of a salt user anyway.

 

[DRF]

You don't seem to have a problem coming up with the money for your gargantuan military.

dude thats hilarious,definately Canadian to the bone. That and I love the word Gargantuan.

The flipside of this is Canada has Health care but 200 soldiers and a couple jeeps.

 

[MineGoesTo11]

Not to mention the wait it would take to get care. If everyone had healthcare provided, there would be massive wait times for non-critical issues.

I would think that if you adjusted your tax burden off of your middle class somewhat and corporations paid their fair share instead of getting tax give aways, and maybe you scaled back military spending to something sane, you could probably provide an excellent level of service.

 

[KSG_Standard]

Canadians can afford gov't health care, because they have America as their armed forces...that and the fact that there are only a few million of them. There are over 300 million of us and over 18 million illegal aliens.

 

[CenCalPlayer]

You don't seem to have a problem coming up with the money for your gargantuan military.

You mean our military that keeps you safe? Or our health care system that subsidizes your healthcare system by picking up most of the huge costs associated with research and development for new drugs, procedures, equipment, etc so that these things are available when you get really ill? What else would you like to discuss? Here's a good one...out of all the patents issued each year how many patents come out of Canada compared to the US?

Tell me how good your socialism type stuff works when it has to actually pick up the full cost of things....

 

[kmk108]

I would think that if you adjusted your tax burden off of your middle class somewhat and corporations paid their fair share instead of getting tax give aways, and maybe you scaled back military spending to something sane, you could probably provide an excellent level of service.

I wasn't talking about costs. I was purely talking about wait times. There are long waits for transplants as it is.

 

[MineGoesTo11]

Can I ask you a question? Why do you hate America so much? Nearly every post I've seen you make has had a negative comment about America.

I said use rational arguments. So far all you can come up with is.. Why do you hate America?

That's weak. You surely can do better.

Why is it necessary to polarize things along national lines? I'm just asking some questions. If you believe in the system you have then discuss it.

 

[KSG_Standard]

I don't believe I mentioned anything about the quantity of hospitals.



I still haven't heard one person come up with a rational argument against the government providing health benefits to people.

Here's a hypothetical for you.

Your local county sets up a fire dept. and everyone who pays taxes (people and businesses) in that county gets supported by the local department when they have an emergency. Does that sound unreasonable?
The same happens with the county water & utilities, roads, school board and police dept. Everyone in the county gets to vote in the elections, and has a voice. They can vote for the candidates they feel best runs the county services. Democracy.

Ok, so everybody in the county likes the fire dept., water, roads, police service etc, and agrees that it's a good use of taxpayer money. Then they build a local hospital, pay the doctors buy the equipment, hire local contractors to build everything, of course and negotiate fees with the drug companies. Nobody pays insurance premiums, because taxes pay for it. Everybody who is a taxpayer is provided with care when they need it and aren't turned away. There is no need for filing claims, or worring about pre-existing conditions. Jobs are provided to the local economy.

So somebody please tell me how a government providing one service that people find completely normal is so much different from it providing another. Use rational arguments please.

All these things you mention are STATE and COUNTY and CITY provided, paid for by LOCAL taxes to take care of the needs of the folks closest to the issue by the folks closest to the problem. Why would I want to send a dollar to Washington DC, in order to get back 65cents worth of services?

Our country was set up to have a LIMITED central/federal gov't. We aren't supposed to have to pay the fed to do the state's job. The federal gov't is a giant hole in the earth where our money disappears. We have a different system than Canada...and we like it that way.

 

[CenCalPlayer]

I would think that if you adjusted your tax burden off of your middle class somewhat and corporations paid their fair share instead of getting tax give aways, and maybe you scaled back military spending to something sane, you could probably provide an excellent level of service.

Ok....since you have a ton of answers apparently, why don't you enlighten us dumb Americans?

What should the tax rates be on the "middle class" and while you are at it please define the "middle class". Now please define what "corporations" you are talking about and how much should they pay and of what should they pay on. Then can you tell us how large our military should be and how much we should spend on it? And finally, please tell us how, at what cost, and what level of service of medical care we can provide without having to have huge waiting times, rationed care, or told too bad you don't meet some profile so you can't have a given treatment.....its so simple for you Canadians, please teach us....

 

[kmk108]

I would think that if you adjusted your tax burden off of your middle class somewhat and corporations paid their fair share instead of getting tax give aways, and maybe you scaled back military spending to something sane, you could probably provide an excellent level of service.

I said use rational arguments. So far all you can come up with is.. Why do you hate America?

That's weak. You surely can do better.

Why is it necessary to polarize things along national lines? I'm just asking some questions. If you believe in the system you have then discuss it.

I gave a rational argument. I said it would make the lines longer for healthcare and you came back with something about costs.

I was pointing out that you have taken shots at our citizens "Because they're fat", alluded to the idea that it's bad we have a large military, and say that we're being hypocritical when it comes to local governments v. federal. You obviously don't know how our government works (or at least the idea of it). I don't know about Canada's so I don't make comments about it.

BTW, what's so bad about having a large military?

 

[blahblahblahblah]

Ok....since you have a tone of answers apparently, why don't enlighten us dumb Americans?

What should the tax rates be on the "middle class" and while you are at it please define the "middle class". Now please define what "corporations" you are talking about and how much should they pay and of what should they pay on. Then can you tell us how large our military should be and how much we should spend on it? And finally, please tell us how, at what cost, and what level of service of medical care we can provide without having to have huge waiting times, rationed care, or told too bad you don't meet some profile so you can't have a given treatment.....its so simple for you Canadians, please teach us....

A...fucking...men...

 

[MineGoesTo11]

I've just compiled everything together for convenience. I'm sure everyone will recognize their own stuff.

Ok....since you have a ton of answers apparently, why don't you enlighten us dumb Americans?

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't call anybody dumb.

I was pointing out that you have taken shots at our citizens "Because they're fat", alluded to the idea that it's bad we have a large military,

Suck it up princess, it was a joke. I later conceded that we have the same problem here. I didn't make a peep when someone made fun of our military. I said that you don't have a problem funding your military, which you must admit is gargantuan. I said nothing about whether this is good or bad, I said that you have no problem coming up with the money. Would it really be so bad if you shaved off a fraction of the budget and paid for something else?


All these things you mention are STATE and COUNTY and CITY provided, paid for by LOCAL taxes to take care of the needs of the folks closest to the issue by the folks closest to the problem

Ok, so you didn't disagree in priniciple that government, in general, can provide these services, so why not more? I agree that local is better, you can keep your eye on them. I never mentioned Federal government. My question was about the government in general providing one service over another.

I wasn't talking about costs. I was purely talking about wait times. There are long waits for transplants as it is.

I was making the argument that if you have more funding, you would presumably be able to scale up your level of service by hiring more specialists to do these procedures.

Or our health care system that subsidizes your healthcare system by picking up most of the huge costs associated with research and development for new drugs, procedures, equipment, etc so that these things are available when you get really ill?

Are you suggesting that all of that comes here free? No. It's paid for. This goes back to the question of what difference does it make who signs the checks? The difference is, everybody gets covered. We have all kinds of companies here doing research, both American and Canadian... we don't hold them at gun point, they get paid money.


You mean our military that keeps you safe?

Thanks, but we can take care of ourselves.

This has been fun. Really, we should do this every week. At no point however did I say that I hated America, or that you were dumb, or that our system was better. I just think you could do better than what you have, and so could we. I can't imagine having to deal with a giant insurance company in a time of illness.... I mean I hate my car insurance company enough... I would hate to deal with another for medical.

Anyway, gotta go, I have a socialist rally to get to

 

[kmk108]

Do you know why we spend so much on the military? We're in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. We have been for nearly 10 years. Not long before that we were in Iraq during Desert Storm.

We have a national debt of over $12 trillion. Canada's debt is $814 billion. That's over 13 times as much as Canada's. We're already paying out the ass to pay off this debt, by providing healthcare to everyone, the debt will skyrocket. It might seem like a selfish and asshole thing to say, but why would I want to pay a lot more in taxes than I already do so someone who can't support themselves can get the same treatment I'm working hard for?

 

[KSG_Standard]

The REAL question I have for you Canucks, and this relates to the OP, is how much salt do you need to make beaver, polar bear and baby seals tasty?

As to the question re: gov't services, I have a lot fewer reservations about State gov't services and taxes than I do Federal services and taxes. If my state starts to take advantage of me, I can move to another state. If the Federal gov't gets out of hand, I've got nowhere to go except Canada.

 

[kmk108]

The REAL question I have for you Canucks, and this relates to the OP, is how much salt do you need to make beaver, polar bear and baby seals tasty?

 

[MineGoesTo11]

Do you know why we spend so much on the military? We're in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. We have been for nearly 10 years. Not long before that we were in Iraq during Desert Storm.

We have a national debt of over $12 trillion. Canada's debt is $814 billion. That's over 13 times as much as Canada's. We're already paying out the ass to pay off this debt, by providing healthcare to everyone, the debt will skyrocket. It might seem like a selfish and asshole thing to say, but why would I want to pay a lot more in taxes than I already do so someone who can't support themselves can get the same treatment I'm working hard for?

Yeah, but there's gotta be some multi billion dollar hardware that could be phased out somewhere... you can't tell me the military budget isn't full of pork... There's money that could be ferreted out. I'm not saying you're not entitled to spend money on defense, but I'm sure there's waste in there that is hidden that could be put to better use.

Same goes for these bailouts for Wall St.

Billions down a black hole for the bankers...for crying out loud, you guys should be rioting in the streets over that! That's what I'm saying, you don't have to increase taxes necessarily, just get some transparency so the public might be able to tell exactly where and how their current tax burden is dished out. We have the same problems... government waste on pet projects for cronies. It doesn't mean I want no government.. just one that isn't crooked.

 

[MineGoesTo11]

The REAL question I have for you Canucks, and this relates to the OP, is how much salt do you need to make beaver, polar bear and baby seals tasty?

As to the question re: gov't services, I have a lot fewer reservations about State gov't services and taxes than I do Federal services and taxes. If my state starts to take advantage of me, I can move to another state. If the Federal gov't gets out of hand, I've got nowhere to go except Canada.

Come on up, we'll take real nice care of ya. Back where I grew up, you can't drive half an hour without hitting a good fishing spot.

 

[kmk108]

Yeah, but there's gotta be some multi billion dollar hardware that could be phased out somewhere... you can't tell me the military budget isn't full of pork... There's money that could be ferreted out. I'm not saying you're not entitled to spend money on defense, but I'm sure there's waste in there that is hidden that could be put to better use.

Same goes for these bailouts for Wall St.

Billions down a black hole for the bankers...for crying out loud, you guys should be rioting in the streets over that! That's what I'm saying, you don't have to increase taxes necessarily, just get some transparency so the public might be able to tell exactly where and how their current tax burden is dished out. We have the same problems... government waste on pet projects for cronies. It doesn't mean I want no government.. just one that isn't crooked.

Exactly. Why can't we phase these out? Because they're put in place FOR those who are passing the bill. Not to "better The State".

That's what I think about pork barrel shit I'm having a lot of fun looking up emoticons.

 

[Hamtone]

A couple of months ago somebody posted an article about NYC wanting to limit salt in restaurants and some of the more "liberal" posters on the forum said...don't worry it'll never happen, those NYC council folks are just loonies blowing smoke.

Now look what the loony FDA and a couple of Progressive US Legislators are doing. When will the madness end? Aren't Americans smart enough to take care of themselves? Why don't the asshats in congress worry about getting out of our way and allowing us the FREEDOM we're deserving of and supposedly guaranteed? Stop the madness!

Lawmakers urge FDA to move swiftly to limit amount of salt in foods

this freedom in which you speak of, really isnt freedom but a legislative attempt to govern private corporations. I hate the fda and believe they are useless in most instances but, prepared food, ready to eat, frozen dinners, and anything like it is not a freedom of choice any more than its a lack of choice or ignorance. That shit is absolute garbage on the body, and anyone who eats enough of it for it to be toxic is a fool but, the corporations who make that crap are profiting from it. The whole system is broken.