Kalamazoo, Michigan: Six shot dead in 'random' attacks

[Deus Vult]

On Facebook I'm subscribed to group called, "Moms Demand Action", that was started by several mothers whose children were killed at the Sandyhook shooting

...snip...

I think a lot of people really don't understand the depth of the problem.

Lmfao

No it wasn't. It was started by Shannon watts, a Michael Bloomberg shill who lives about 20 minutes from me. The last part of your quote is absolutely correct.

Gun violence has been dropping steadily for 30 years. While mass shooting like sandy hook are horrific, they are statistical outliers. More people are killed by hammers and FALLING DOWN every year than with every type of rifle combined.

Where is the real violence? Look to places like Chicago- where dozens of people get shot every weekend. And who are the people getting shot and doing the shooting? Dope dealers, dope heads and gangbangers. But rather than address the issues facing those communities, the blame gets placed on Indiana gun laws. But what I don't get is that despite the enormous number of firearms in Indiana, the only places with Chicago level crime problems are...you guessed it, the counties adjacent to Chicago like Lake county (Gary, Hammond, east Chicago)

 

[Roberteaux]

Here's a story concerning a Uber driver who was armed, and who shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people right in Logan Square, in Chicago.

Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune

The Uber driver had a CCW permit. How he got one in Chicago is beyond me, but the bottom line was this: had he not been around, a whole bunch of people were likely to have ended up shot.

--R

 

[Deus Vult]

Here's a story concerning a Uber driver who was armed, and who shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people right in Logan Square, in Chicago.

Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune

The Uber driver had a CCW permit. How he got one in Chicago is beyond me, but the bottom line was this: had he not been around, a whole bunch of people were likely to have ended up shot.

--R

Story is false. I have been assured hundreds of times that defensive use of firearms by non law enforcement has never occurred.

 

[Roberteaux]

Story is false. I have been assured hundreds of times that defensive use of firearms by non law enforcement has never occurred.

Yes, I've heard that myself plenty of times...

I think USDOJ put out that fake report just to try and get us to shoot one another more often, too.

It's good for the prison industrial complex!

--R

 

[defcrew]

Yes, I've heard that myself plenty of times...

I think USDOJ put out that fake report just to try and get us to shoot one another more often, too.

It's good for the prison industrial complex!

--R

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

Here's a story concerning a Uber driver who was armed, and who shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people right in Logan Square, in Chicago.

Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune

The Uber driver had a CCW permit. How he got one in Chicago is beyond me, but the bottom line was this: had he not been around, a whole bunch of people were likely to have ended up shot.

--R

Didn't live very far from there at all. Walking distance a lot of the time.

Crazy. They had a fun/cheap movie theater in Logan Square. Good times.

Glad I left.

 

[Mark V Guitars]

you may be interested in a guy called alex jones...he doesn't believe these mass shootings are real either. Alot of housewives/soccer moms swallow that jive hook line and sinker

Actually, I think he's the world's biggest troll. Can't stand him.

 

[SteveGangi]

you may be interested in a guy called alex jones...

I would not use Alex Jones as the voice of truth or the voice of reason for anything. That being said, I would not believe a group with an obvious agenda, making wild claims about a constant never ending "orgy of death and destruction" either.

 

[circles]

Guess there's really nothing we can do about events like that.

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

making wild claims about a constant never ending "orgy ...

...of death and destruction"

 

[defcrew]

On a tangential note re gun violence, a friend of my son was shot eight times with a .45 a couple weeks back mainly in the torso and is already out of the hospital. He's obese and my son figures maybe that somehow saved him. Allegedly the assailant was killed. He was def killed whether he was the assailant or not is the alleged issue. Crazy...

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

damn

 

[THDNUT]

On a tangential note re gun violence, a friend of my son was shot eight times with a .45 a couple weeks back mainly in the torso and is already out of the hospital. He's obese and my son figures maybe that somehow saved him. Allegedly the assailant was killed. He was def killed whether he was the assailant or not is the alleged issue. Crazy...

See Joey! There is a benefit to being obese. Eight times and not one vital organ was hit!

 

[Engel]

I own a few guns, but I recognize that we have a problem in the US with gun violence. Many of the incidences could have been prevented with reasonable legislation. Personal sales of firearms comes to mind. If it's required when initially purchased, it should be protocol for all sales to include personal. Also, there are an insane amount of suicide by firearms in our country. I think folks with documented instances regarding mental health problems should not have access to firearms. I also think a mandatory firearms safety course is a good idea for first time buyers.

As reasonable as these ideas sound, you can't even mention changes like these without someone calling you a gun grabber or a communist/nazi. Our gun culture has been bastardized.

 

[JayFreddy]

Do your friends ever post articles concerning incidents where innocent lives were saved by an armed citizen?

Probably not.

This is exactly what freaks me out. A bunch of mothers whose children were murdered get together to talk about changing the system, and just because I'm willing to listen to them, I'm painted as a "gun grabber".

I also follow several pro gun groups on Facebook. Why is everyone so polarized? Where's the common sense?

I'm with Engel. Reasonable legislation is the key.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

 

[Roberteaux]

This is exactly what freaks me out. A bunch of mothers whose children were murdered get together to talk about changing the system, and just because I'm willing to listen to them, I'm painted as a "gun grabber".

Histrionics do not become you. You should keep it real instead.

Nobody has suggested the first thing concerning your personal character. You were only addressed directly twice in this thread, and in the case where it was I who spoke to you, you were not treated to any sort of rude language or personal abuse. Instead, what I did was to openly speculate that the group you brought forth-- and which you say you're thinking of supporting via social activism-- was almost certainly not truly objective in nature.

The reason I suspect this is so is because according to you, they tend to just post one tragic story after another to the point where it becomes disgusting. You never mentioned that they post stories where people were able to save their own lives or others by lawful use of firearms against violent criminal assailants-- not even after I asked you if they did.

I mentioned that there are also mothers of slain children, who have become vocal 2nd Amendment activists for feeling that an armed citizen might have saved their child, as armed citizens have saved so many others in the past. I brought them forth, since you did not. I felt that your failure to mention them represented an imbalanced appeal to emotion for not addressing the concerns of those who suffered just as much, but formed different opinions as a result of their tragic circumstances.

And that was it. So you are not some persecuted victim, nor have you been personally insulted. No abusive language was directed towards you, and the offering of a counterpoint to your observations is not any sort of personal attack-- though you have attempted to characterize it as such.

If I wanted to play your game, I could say that by falsely imputing that I had called you a "gun grabber" you were being arbitrary in your reasoning and possibly insulting to me for accusing me of negative behavior that I had not actually committed.

It's slander-- slander, I tell ya!

I also follow several pro gun groups on Facebook.

We can only respond to information that you chose to offer. This is the first time you brought that up. And even at that, you do not tell us what your opinion of what you've learned there happens to be. Instead, you tell us only that you think you're gonna start posting a bunch of sickening stories about violent crime as a social activist.

This, by the way, tends to make me suspect that maybe you're not exactly the reasonable centrist, currently assailed by extremist elements, that you have been trying to pass yourself off as being.

A genuine centrist would give equal weight to the considerations of all sides of an issue. And if you think that you're the member of some small, select group who is the only bunch fully aware of the criminal violence in this world, you are fooling yourself.

There's no need for you to trumpet tragedies. That's all we ever hear about, and you know it.

Why is everyone so polarized?

Not that you are, right?

Keep it real, will ya? You know perfectly well what causes the division in thinking when it comes to issues involving the 2nd Amendment.

Where's the common sense?

I suppose that, like the awareness of violent crime, it's a really rare commodity that only a privileged few have access to. And I would suppose that you are one of those rare luminaries, perhaps even sent here to instruct us or something. Like Gandalf.

Sure would hate to miss that!

So by all means, lay it on us. What is this "common sense" of which you speak?

I'm with Engel. Reasonable legislation is the key.

Perhaps you need to explain what "reasonable legislation" consists of, then. Until you do so, there is no real meaning to your words.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

Ah, you quoted Voltaire-- though without citation, I noticed.

Did you know that he also said, "A witty saying proves nothing"?

--R

 

[PraXis]

We're not giving another inch.

 

[Scooter2112]

Also, there are an insane amount of suicide by firearms in our country

It may shock some, but if a person is hellbent on offing themself, I can't think of a more quick and efficient method. And also one that generally doesn't involve others. Diving off a bridge or tall building onto a freeway or sidewalk can make it risky for the innocent and unsuspecting.

A persons suicide is really no more my business that someone else's abortion, sexual preference, etc.

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

It may shock some, but if a person is hellbent on offing themself, I can't think of a more quick and efficient method. And also one that generally doesn't involve others. Diving off a bridge or tall building onto a freeway or sidewalk can make it risky for the innocent and unsuspecting.

A persons suicide is really no more my business that someone else's abortion, sexual preference, etc.

The leading cause of death for middle aged white males is suicide.

I wonder why?

http://www.bcmj.org/articles/silent-epidemic-male-suicide

Why is death rate rising for white, middle-aged Americans? - BBC News

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/h...-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...hite-middle-age-suicide-in-america-skyrockets

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...white-americans-are-dying-at-such-high-rates/

 

[rcole_sooner]

I can't think of a more quick and efficient method.

No personal experience, but I've heard from people who work in trauma centers, that they get a lot of gun related failed suicide attempts. Most are pretty graphic head wounds.

I don't know how quick and efficient that would be.