Just Had An Armed Robbery

[Bluesky]

It is common knowledge that people get fired for resisting a robber, even if it comes to a safe ending with violator caught.

It ain't his store, and he stands to lose his job, health or life, all for nothing.

OP ain't John Wayne in a movie.

YES. Believe it or not , you can Rob a store, but if an employee were to try and stop it and they injure you in the process.....you can SUE.

Crime doesn't pay..........Yeah, right!!

 

[JorNak]

I'm glad you're ok! hope they catch him!

 

[boney bones lee]

One of these and no ones coming into your house

Good for keeping em out. Not so good for inside gun fights.

 

[Tone deaf]

Agreed for folks in the US. They are a little harder to come by, in the UK.

 

[12watt]

Mind you, I once tried - and successfully - bought a Mars bar whilst on acid, once.

RichBrew

I once tried - unsuccessfully - to get a sandwich on acid.

Now where is my driver's licence?

 

[Tone deaf]

Good for keeping em out. Not so good for inside gun fights.

A short-barreled shotgun is good for both close quarters and high anxiety (thanks Mel) situations. Further, the nature of the rounds is good for avoiding 'over penetration' (i.e. having a stray round go through a wall or two and killing an innocent bystander and/or friendly targets). 00-Buck and slugs have big stopping power and less over-penetration than most large bore pistol and rifle ammo. The added benefit of 00-buck, in a high-anxiety moment, is that you can be less accurate and still take down your target.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

A short-barreled shotgun is good for both close quarters and high anxiety (thanks Mel) situations. Further, the nature of the rounds is good for avoiding 'over penetration' (i.e. having a stray round go through a wall or two and killing an innocent bystander and/or friendly targets). 00-Buck and slugs have big stopping power and less over-penetration than most large bore pistol and rifle ammo. The added benefit of 00-buck, in a high-anxiety moment, is that you can be less accurate and still take down your target.

And if somehow the intruder gets inside your close radius of action, you've got an ideal pummel.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

Probably. A nonviolent resolution which sees the good folks unharmed is probably the best scenario to angle for. I don't know about you, but I'd feel pretty shitty if, in trying to be a hero, I saw one of the gals knifed.

I can understand that based on peoples fears and unsure of defending themselves physically even if out numbered. There are two type of people in the world, ones who freak out and lose all reasoning abilities and ones who remain calm under pressure, can think clearly and react properly if need be.

I'm from the other side where I would feel compelled to end it right then and there vs letting the guy get away to where get could possible kill someone. I wouldnt want that on my mind that is for sure. Criminals want the least path of resistance and are dumb

 

[Byron999]

Criminals want the least path of resistance and are dumb

dude, have you met them all

 

[Shawn Lutz]

What Thump said. Not fighting at all with no one harmed is the win. Things can be replaced, lives can't.

You may have training, you don't know if he had training either, maybe more than your own.... drugged up or not.

If it was just you and him and you felt frisky, then it's on you as to what happens next. With others around, you would be risking their well being without their permission if you decided to do battle. That's not your right to decide. Fighting is the last alternative to any situation.

Wrong! Is is my right, I have the right chose to not live a passive life or allowed to be stepped on. A lot of people people can't make decisions under pressure or fear which is totally understandable, I can and have.

A criminal decided to put me in the situation. If I'm in this scenario it IS my battle and MY decision for deal with it how I see fit..no one eles but my own. Others can make their own decision themeselves and run until they feel safe. I'm not taking a poll of others around me, one guy, one knife and more than one person is a fight I'll take 9 times out of 10.

 

[Byron999]

Wrong! Is is my right, I have the right chose to not live a passive life or allowed to be stepped on. A lot of people people can't make decisions under pressure or fear which is totally understandable, I can and have.

A criminal decided to put me in the situation. If I'm in this scenario it IS my battle and MY decision for deal with it how I see fit..no one eles but my own. Others can make their own decision themeselves and run until they feel safe. I'm not taking a poll of others around me, one guy, one knife and more than one person is a fight I'll take 9 times out of 10.

one guy one knife.

Right, he may family, are you going to protect yours as well?

All I'm saying is protect yourself, but its foolish to think you control every thing that comes through that door you're about to open.

 

[geochem1st]

I can understand that based on peoples fears and unsure of defending themselves physically even if out numbered. There are two type of people in the world, ones who freak out and lose all reasoning abilities and ones who remain calm under pressure, can think clearly and react properly if need be.

I'm from the other side where I would feel compelled to end it right then and there vs letting the guy get away to where get could possible kill someone. I wouldnt want that on my mind that is for sure. Criminals want the least path of resistance and are dumb

Wrong! Is is my right, I have the right chose to not live a passive life or allowed to be stepped on. A lot of people people can't make decisions under pressure or fear which is totally understandable, I can and have.

A criminal decided to put me in the situation. If I'm in this scenario it IS my battle and MY decision for deal with it how I see fit..no one eles but my own. Others can make their own decision themeselves and run until they feel safe. I'm not taking a poll of others around me, one guy, one knife and more than one person is a fight I'll take 9 times out of 10.

It's not your right to place others lives in danger because you think that one guy and a knife vs. you plus a few teenage girls is a 90% win. That is neither clear thinking and/or reasonable considering you know nothing at all about your opponent.

Your line of thinking makes you dangerous to others in a very negative way. Being passive in the above scenario doesn't equal being weak, on the contrary, it indicates an understanding of what is truly important.

IF, the scenario was different and the thief wasn't satisfied with leaving with just the money, and escalated to personal violence.... then you have a right to self defense and the defense of others... but that didn't happen in the OP.

 

[Gyroman]

Agreed for folks in the US. They are a little harder to come by, in the UK.

This.

 

[Gyroman]

It is common knowledge that people get fired for resisting a robber, even if it comes to a safe ending with violator caught.

It ain't his store, and he stands to lose his job, health or life, all for nothing.

OP ain't John Wayne in a movie.

Having met the OP I can vouch for that! . Seriously, all this macho stuff is irrelevant: All businesses are insured against loss from theft; it's far better to protect the humans involved than risk life and limb for a few quid that isn't even your own money.

 

[Tone deaf]

IF, the scenario was different and the thief wasn't satisfied with leaving with just the money, and escalated to personal violence.... then you have a right to self defense and the defense of others... but that didn't happen in the OP.

IMO, as soon as the the guy brandishes a weapon or gives me valid reason to fear for my life (actually property, too in many places) I have a right to defend myself with lethal force. However, there is a difference between having that right and unnecessarily exercising it. I believe that OP did the right thing.

The business is insured, the police are tasked with enforcing the laws while justice system is supposed to determine guilt and met out punishment. Taking a human life is best left to the hangman.

In this type of scenario, the best outcome is one where everyone walks away unharmed and the criminal goes to jail (where he will undoubtedly see the error of his ways, repent and reform himself into an upstanding member of society). If the victim is forced to defend him/herself with lethal force, he/she deserves the benefit of doubt, given that it is the dirt bag that caused the situation in the first place.

Just to be clear, I am a big supporter of the Second Amendment and own more than a few firearms. I believe that the offender, in this case, crossed the line for most places in the US for the victim to have legally used lethal force. I also believe that it is likely that the world would be a better place without the accused. That said, in OP's situation the best outcome was realized.

 

[tinman402]

YES. Believe it or not , you can Rob a store, but if an employee were to try and stop it and they injure you in the process.....you can SUE.

Crime doesn't pay..........Yeah, right!!

Here is the catch to that.. If you kill them they can't do shit.. The family will lose a wrongful death suit for the fact that the death was caused by the situation the person put themselves into.. This bend over and take it mentality makes me sick.. I carry, this would have ended with the robber taking a ride to the morgue had I been behind the counter. Call me cold hearted or mean or whatever, he had already stabbed one person..

 

[Byron999]

Here is the catch to that.. If you kill them they can't do shit.. The family will lose a wrongful death suit for the fact that the death was caused by the situation the person put themselves into.. This bend over and take it mentality makes me sick.. I carry, this would have ended with the robber taking a ride to the morgue had I been behind the counter. Call me cold hearted or mean or whatever, he had already stabbed one person..

that's a good law, because you would then have to kill the family as well....

 

[12watt]

Here is the catch to that.. If you kill them they can't do shit.. The family will lose a wrongful death suit for the fact that the death was caused by the situation the person put themselves into.. This bend over and take it mentality makes me sick.. I carry, this would have ended with the robber taking a ride to the morgue had I been behind the counter. Call me cold hearted or mean or whatever, he had already stabbed one person..

Hey Bronson, this happened in the UK.

 

[Mindfrigg]

"Gargle Bargles pleeezz,......Unfortled"

 

[Tone deaf]

If I ever open up a variety or liquor store, it's going to be: