- Feb 21, 2008
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I've found that a PAF clone in a Les Paul into a Marshall gets me close enough.
It's amazing how vague that is. There is no guarantee that one sentence has anything to do with the next.
The only way that blurb could relate to Page in anyway without being a marketing fabrication is if Seymour modified the pickups in #1 prior to 1972. If that was the case I imagine it would be pretty major news in the Pagetone world.
Otherwise he could basically be saying "These pickups are replicas of pickups I made in the 80s based on modifications I made to other people's pickups in the late 60s."
My statement is true. I have measured hot PAF's through the output jack and got readings like 9.2k, and only to find after they were unsoldered from the circuit they read 8k, or 8.2k. Anyone who has ever dealt with vintage PAF's and vintage guitars in general will know this. After removing the said pickup, I would meter the pot and at its lowest setting would still read 150, 300 ohms, which will make the measured value through the output jack much higher. So, in a nutshell, many paf specs that are floating around are not correct if they have been measured through the output jack, as I suspect many of them have.That is true. Tim measured Page's PAF neck and it came in at about 8.68k AL2. I suspect it was measured in the circuit so from what I'm told it will meter higher so it may actually be around 8.2k ish. Some pots don't zero out as I'm told from Bill M. Something technical like that. I don't even want to try speaking for him. After all, who would be bold enough to unsolder the pickups in Page's #1? Tim's Riff Raff is a close match to the bridge in spec. Not sure of the wind, but it likely does the more
modern Page thing well.
S Duncan was in London at the time of the greats and rewound pickups for some of them. Waaay later, page used a s duncan pickup. London, Page, 70s S Duncan WHL. The blurb on WHL tries to make all these connect. Why? Well everybody loves to be page by buying a pickup, so a nice cash cow with no royalties. Page used a s Duncan after Zep, so that's why it doesn't specifically say WHL are the same as pages original, it's just ambiguous and leads you to believe this. In my lp the WHL sound great, but not trebly like pages early sound, more middy, but that's why I like them. Another thought. Maybe the seymour Duncan was also in Pages guitar when a UK winder had it on his bench. So is the Riff Raff similar the Seymour Duncan pickup, or his original Paff, and why is Tims riff Raff the closest, and not his black dogs, which were supposed to be the Zep pickup ? I would also think I could have pages exact original equipment and sound nothing like him. .
Heh. Whole Lotta Bulls**t
Duncan also pussyfoots around the whole 78 model, and on the forums several years ago really upped the BS level about the JB model and it meaning " jazz/blues".
Not to discredit the sound of the pickups...duncans are good stuff, but the marketing team must think we are a bunch of morons.
Maybe this is insignificant, but if you look at the picture a bit closer, the guitar player is holding a Telecaster.http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/attachments/pickups/125523d1413671947-jimmy-page-1-bridge-pickup-question-image.jpgHere's something to read anyway...
Oh SNAP!Maybe this is insignificant, but if you look at the picture a bit closer, the guitar player is holding a Telecaster.http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/attachments/pickups/125523d1413671947-jimmy-page-1-bridge-pickup-question-image.jpg
I thought it was pretty well known (accepted?) that Page used his telecaster for a lot of the STUDIO work on the early albums, particularly Whole a Lotta Love and Stairway to Heaven. No?So, did Page create the tone on all the classic Zeppelin albums with a custom wound Duncan or just a plain old T top? If anyone has the definitive answer, i would appreciate it. Thanks!
I've heard different things regarding WLL, although it's confirmed that the Stairway solo was the Tele's swan song. But I also happen to think the Tele's significance is way overblown outside of the first album.I thought it was pretty well known (accepted?) that Page used his telecaster for a lot of the STUDIO work on the early albums, particularly Whole a Lotta Love and Stairway to Heaven. No?
This is why I'm using Electric City Royal Tributes in my R9.Original PAF's used till Feb 72 when it died in Australia, so it was on II III IV
T-Top from Houses of The Holy onwards
And yes, SD is a bit naughty with their wording, as it wasn't used till after Led Zep finished.
Original PAF's made the most memorable Zep sounds in my opinion
And they were almost certainly Alnico 2
I am confused: in many places I have read that Page’s post-72 #1 Les Paul had T-Tops in the bridge that had a significantly LOWER resistance than his PAF neck pickup. But all the after market pickups that claim to approximate Page’s tone have bridge resistance values that are HIGHER than the neck values. Why is that?the Seymour didn't find its way into Page's guitar til long after Zep finished. its the T Top on all stuff from 72-80.
You really can’t go by winder’s resistance values... although it could be a red flag.I am confused: in many places I have read that Page’s post-72 #1 Les Paul had T-Tops in the bridge that had a significantly LOWER resistance than his PAF neck pickup. But all the after market pickups that claim to approximate Page’s tone have bridge resistance values that are HIGHER than the neck values. Why is that?
Yes, that’s probably part of it. But still, I’m looking to understand this better.You really can’t go by winder’s resistance values... although it could be a red flag.
When you buy a particular set of pickups based on a winder’s perception of a particular sound, it may not jive with reality.
A friend of mine showed me a set of pickups that were “Warren Haynes” voiced. The neck had a much lower resistance value than the bridge. Warren is known for his very “loud” neck tone, almost if not a match for his bridge.
Do the pickups my friend pointed out to me nail Haynes’ tone? I have no idea. However if all things are equal, there’s no way they do, as much as the winder perceives they do.
You see the thing is that Page's neck pickup was a high K reading.....even with original PAF in the bridge it was significantly louder. But he never used it full volume.....or almost never.Yes, that’s probably part of it. But still, I’m looking to understand this better.