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'One of the big reasons the U.S. economy is so lousy is that big American companies are hoarding cash and "maximizing profits" instead of investing in their people and future projects.
This behavior is contributing to record income inequality in the country and starving the primary engine of U.S. economic growth — the vast American middle class — of purchasing power. (See charts below).

If average Americans don't get paid living wages, they can't spend much money buying products and services. And when average Americans can't buy products and services, the companies that sell products and services to average Americans can't grow. So the profit obsession of America's big companies is, ironically, hurting their ability to accelerate revenue growth.

One obvious solution to this problem is for big companies to pay their people more — to share more of the vast wealth that they create with the people who create it.

The companies have record profit margins, so they can certainly afford to do this.

But, unfortunately, over the past three decades, what began as a healthy and necessary effort to make our companies more efficient has evolved into a warped consensus that the only value that companies create is financial (cash) and that the only thing managers and owners should ever worry about is making more of it.

This view is an insult to anyone who has ever dreamed of having a job that is about more than money. And it is a short-sighted and destructive view of capitalism, an economic system that sustains not just this country but most countries in the world.

This view has become deeply entrenched, though.

These days, if you suggest that great companies should serve several constituencies (customers, employees, and shareholders) and that American companies should share more of their wealth with the people who generate it (employees), you get called a "socialist." You get called a "liberal." You get told that you "don't understand economics." You get accused of promoting "wealth confiscation." You get told that, in America, people get paid what they deserve to get paid: Anyone who wants more money should go out and "start their own company" or "demand a raise" or "get a better job."

In other words, you get told that anyone who suggests that great companies should share the value they create with all three constituencies instead of just lining the pockets of shareholders is an idiot.

After all, these folks say, one law of capitalism is that employers pay their employees as little as possible. Employees are just "costs." You should try to minimize those "costs" whenever and wherever you can.

This view, unfortunately, is not just selfish and demeaning. It's also economically stupid. Those "costs" you are minimizing (employees) are also current and prospective customers for your company and other companies. And the less money they have, the fewer products and services they are going to buy.

Obviously, the folks who own and run America's big corporations want to do as well as they can for themselves. But the key point is this:

It is not a law that they pay their employees as little as possible.

It is a choice.

It is a choice made by senior managers and owners who want to keep the highest possible percentage of a company's wealth for themselves.

It is, in other words, a selfish choice.

It is a choice that reveals that, regardless of what they say about how much they value their employees, regardless of what euphemism they use to describe their employees ("associate," "partner," "representative," "team-member"), they, in fact, don't give a damn about their employees.

These senior managers and owners, after all, are earning record profits while choosing to pay their employees so little in many cases that the employees have to live in poverty.

And the senior managers and owners add insult to injury by blaming the employees for this: "If they want to get paid more, they should start their own company. Or get a better job."

It is no mystery why America's senior managers and owners describe the decision to pay employees as little as possible as a "law of capitalism": Because doing this masks the fact that they are making a choice.

But it is a choice.

Importantly, if big American companies were struggling to earn money, as they were in the early 1980s, we would not be having this conversation. Even if big American companies were only earning average profits, this wouldn't be an issue. But the "efficiency" and "shareholder-value" drive that began in the 1980s has now gone too far the other way. Just look at these charts...

CHART ONE: Corporate profits and profit margins are at an all-time high. American companies are making more money and more per dollar of sales than they ever have before. Full stop. This means that the companies have oceans of cash to invest. But they're not investing it. Because they're too risk averse, profit-obsessed, and short-term greedy.
http://static3.businessinsider.com/...679/corporate-profits-as-a-percent-of-gdp.png

Business Insider, St. Louis Fed


CHART TWO: Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. Why are corporate profits so high? One reason is that companies are paying employees less than they ever have as a share of GDP. And that, in turn, is another reason the economy is so weak. Those "wages" represent spending power for American consumers. American consumer spending is revenue for other companies. So the profit maximization obsession of American corporations is actually starving the rest of the economy of revenue growth.
http://static6.businessinsider.com/...0001c-905-678/profits-as-a-percent-of-gdp.png


Business Insider, St. Louis Fed

CHART THREE: Fewer Americans are employed than at any time in the past three decades. Another reason corporations are so profitable is that they don't employ as many Americans as they used to. This is in part because companies today regard employees as "costs" instead of human beings who are dedicating their lives to the organizations that, in turn, are supporting them and their families. (Symbiosis! Imagine that!) As a result of frantic firing in the name of "efficiency" and "return on capital," the U.S. employment-to-population ratio has collapsed. We're back at 1970s-1980s levels now.
http://static2.businessinsider.com/...employment-as-a-percent-of-the-population.png

Business Insider, St. Louis Fed


FOUR: The share of our national income that American corporations are sharing with the people who do the work ("labor") is at an all-time low. The rest of our national income, naturally, is going to owners and senior managers ("capital"), who have it better today than they have ever had it before.
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51f7dd3d69bedd897d00000f-905-678/labor-share-of-income.png

Business Insider, St. Louis Fed, Bureau of Labor Statistics


In short, the obsession with "maximizing short-term profits" that has developed in America over the past 30 years has created a business culture in which executives dance to the tune of short-term traders and quarterly earnings reports, instead of balancing the value created for employees, customers, and long-term owners.

That's not what has made America a great country. It is not what has made some excellent American corporations the envy of the world. It's also hurting the economy.

Read more: Companies Need To Pay People More - Business Insider


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clear, concise, backed with relevant data, with no bullshit......couldn't have said it better myself, thank you 'Business Insider' :applause:
 

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I agree with that statement and the premise put forth in the article.

I will read it completely later.

I have a novel I could write on the topic.
 

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you would know, thanks for sharing the link mal :thumb:

When I read it I thought, "Did Geo write this?" :laugh2:

It seemed like one of your posts. I like how straightforward it was.
 

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an excellent find mal :wave:


** And the senior managers and owners add insult to injury by blaming the employees for this:
"If they want to get paid more, they should start their own company. Or get a better job."

^^ of which does'nt work so well anymore
 

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The OP is clearly a socialist and socialism ain't 'Murican.
 

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Since when did "Minimum Wage" become "Living Wage"?

The Minimum is just that. The Minimum a person should legally expect to be paid for a job.

The more difficult and involved the job, the higher the wage.

As it has already been said, a job a McDonald's selling burgers and fries, is supposed to be a starting point, not your "Top Job" choice.

Aside from your point of view, if you raise the Minimum Wage, you will literally shut down entire companies. All of those jobs will be lost.

There is a limit to how much people will pay for a Big Mac, Pizza, Bucket of Chicken, etc....

The entire Restaurant business, and many other Hospitality Industry employers, will be shut down.

Our lives as as Americans will forever change for the worse.

But, the government will win, because even more people will be dependent on them for a "living".

Oh, and you can save your sermons....I will not be back to this thread.

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These days, if you suggest that great companies should serve several constituencies (customers, employees, and shareholders) and that American companies should share more of their wealth with the people who generate it (employees), you get called a "socialist." You get called a "liberal." You get told that you "don't understand economics." You get accused of promoting "wealth confiscation." You get told that, in America, people get paid what they deserve to get paid: Anyone who wants more money should go out and "start their own company" or "demand a raise" or "get a better job."

In other words, you get told that anyone who suggests that great companies should share the value they create with all three constituencies instead of just lining the pockets of shareholders is an idiot.

The one fundamental error of this analysis, and I think it is a deliberate error for political purposes, is that it is the shareholders of the big corporations who drive the focus on shareholder value, and NOT the executives of the corporations. Of course, the executives make it happen, but only because they know that if they don't, the shareholders will find someone who will.

And shareholders are a large and diverse bunch. Wikipedia suggests that approximately 50% of US households hold stocks in one form or another (I quote this figure as an indication of the proportion and not as any suggestion that it is the correct actual figure).

You can argue that the corporate focus on shareholder value is at the expense of the middle class, but it is the fact that many shareholders are, in fact, middle class retirees who rely on corporate dividends for their livelihood. Then there are the big institutional shareholders who, again, hold and invest funds on behalf of millions of individuals who have invested in retirement and investment trusts. The big institutional shareholders have a very powerful voice in relation to corporate conduct, but only on behalf of their millions of investors who, again, will leave them quickly if they don't maximise their investment.

So who is actually ripping off the middle and working classes? It shareholders, and NOT the corporations or their executives. And who are the shareholders? You, me, anyone who has a retirement plan or an investment of any kind in shares.

If you genuinely believe that it is corporate executives that drive corporate conduct and not shareholders, you are naive and misinformed. When the shareholders at corporations say "jump", the executives at even the largest corporations say "how high"?

How may of you have ever asked your retirement or investment fund about whether their investments are in ethical, or socially responsible, or environmentally responsible investments? How many of you care?

As is the case with all the evil that besets the world at the moment... "follow the money"!

The money (as the article quoted by Geo quite correctly identifies) does not stay within the corporations. It is distributed to the owners of stocks and shares (however they are held). There are millions and millions and millions of owners of stocks and shares. They have the power, not the corporations.

This is not a case of the middle and working classes being preyed on by corporations. That's the convenient, simplistic answer. The real answer is that the middle and working classes, in conjunction with the 1%ers, are preying on themselves. So stop complaining about it like you are helpless. You can actually do something about it.

"I shouted out who killed the Kennedys, when after all, it was you and me".

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Since when did "Minimum Wage" become "Living Wage"?

The Minimum is just that. The Minimum a person should legally expect to be paid for a job.

The more difficult and involved the job, the higher the wage.

As it has already been said, a job a McDonald's selling burgers and fries, is supposed to be a starting point, not your "Top Job" choice.

Aside from your point of view, if you raise the Minimum Wage, you will literally shut down entire companies. All of those jobs will be lost.

There is a limit to how much people will pay for a Big Mac, Pizza, Bucket of Chicken, etc....

The entire Restaurant business, and many other Hospitality Industry employers, will be shut down.

Our lives as as Americans will forever change for the worse.

But, the government will win, because even more people will be dependent on them for a "living".

Oh, and you can save your sermons....I will not be back to this thread.

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Really? Could you elaborate on your theory?
 

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Aside from your point of view, if you raise the Minimum Wage, you will literally shut down entire companies. All of those jobs will be lost.

There is a limit to how much people will pay for a Big Mac, Pizza, Bucket of Chicken, etc....

The entire Restaurant business, and many other Hospitality Industry employers, will be shut down.

Our lives as as Americans will forever change for the worse.


The minimum wage here in Ontario (and all other Canadian provinces so far as I am aware) is far higher than it is in the majority of, if not all of, the U.S. states and none of that has happened here so I don't know why anyone assumes it would happen there. Unless, of course, they are merely making assumptions.

Here are the minimum wages here in Ontario, what are they in the various U.S. states?

http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/minwage.php


None of our industries have collapsed, particularly not our food service sector, so why, exactly, do people keep trying to claim that it would happen in the U.S. if minimum wages were raised there?

And someone (I think it might have been Geo) posted something here recently that demonstrated that if the minimum wage was raised the impact on prices at places like McDonald's would be minimal.

So if the minimum wage was raised your lives as Americans would certainly change, but it wouldn't be for the worse. Perhaps something might actually improve down there for a change.




Oh, and you can save your sermons....I will not be back to this thread.


Why be afraid of a debate?
 

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How may of you have ever asked your retirement or investment fund about whether their investments are in ethical, or socially responsible, or environmentally responsible investments?


I have. There are also a shedload of ethical mutual fund providers here in Canada so enough of us care that it has become a business model.


Canadian Ethical Mutual Fund Providers
 

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'One of the big reasons the U.S. economy is so lousy is that big American companies are hoarding cash and "maximizing profits" instead of investing in their people and future projects.
This behavior is contributing to record income inequality in the country and starving the primary engine of U.S. economic growth — the vast American middle class — of purchasing power. (See charts below).

If average Americans don't get paid living wages, they can't spend much money buying products and services. And when average Americans can't buy products and services, the companies that sell products and services to average Americans can't grow. So the profit obsession of America's big companies is, ironically, hurting their ability to accelerate revenue growth.

One obvious solution to this problem is for big companies to pay their people more — to share more of the vast wealth that they create with the people who create it.

The companies have record profit margins, so they can certainly afford to do this.

But, unfortunately, over the past three decades, what began as a healthy and necessary effort to make our companies more efficient has evolved into a warped consensus that the only value that companies create is financial (cash) and that the only thing managers and owners should ever worry about is making more of it.

This view is an insult to anyone who has ever dreamed of having a job that is about more than money. And it is a short-sighted and destructive view of capitalism, an economic system that sustains not just this country but most countries in the world.

This view has become deeply entrenched, though.

These days, if you suggest that great companies should serve several constituencies (customers, employees, and shareholders) and that American companies should share more of their wealth with the people who generate it (employees), you get called a "socialist." You get called a "liberal." You get told that you "don't understand economics." You get accused of promoting "wealth confiscation." You get told that, in America, people get paid what they deserve to get paid: Anyone who wants more money should go out and "start their own company" or "demand a raise" or "get a better job."

In other words, you get told that anyone who suggests that great companies should share the value they create with all three constituencies instead of just lining the pockets of shareholders is an idiot.

After all, these folks say, one law of capitalism is that employers pay their employees as little as possible. Employees are just "costs." You should try to minimize those "costs" whenever and wherever you can.

This view, unfortunately, is not just selfish and demeaning. It's also economically stupid. Those "costs" you are minimizing (employees) are also current and prospective customers for your company and other companies. And the less money they have, the fewer products and services they are going to buy.

Obviously, the folks who own and run America's big corporations want to do as well as they can for themselves. But the key point is this:

It is not a law that they pay their employees as little as possible.

It is a choice.

It is a choice made by senior managers and owners who want to keep the highest possible percentage of a company's wealth for themselves.

It is, in other words, a selfish choice.

It is a choice that reveals that, regardless of what they say about how much they value their employees, regardless of what euphemism they use to describe their employees ("associate," "partner," "representative," "team-member"), they, in fact, don't give a damn about their employees.

These senior managers and owners, after all, are earning record profits while choosing to pay their employees so little in many cases that the employees have to live in poverty.

And the senior managers and owners add insult to injury by blaming the employees for this: "If they want to get paid more, they should start their own company. Or get a better job."...


I read an article in a major U.S. publication which basically said the same thing.

It was written by a Canadian economist and the year was 2001.
 

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Since when did "Minimum Wage" become "Living Wage"?

The Minimum is just that. The Minimum a person should legally expect to be paid for a job.

The more difficult and involved the job, the higher the wage.

As it has already been said, a job a McDonald's selling burgers and fries, is supposed to be a starting point, not your "Top Job" choice.

Aside from your point of view, if you raise the Minimum Wage, you will literally shut down entire companies. All of those jobs will be lost.

There is a limit to how much people will pay for a Big Mac, Pizza, Bucket of Chicken, etc....

The entire Restaurant business, and many other Hospitality Industry employers, will be shut down...

Every time the Canadian or US government contemplates a rise in the minimum wage...this story gets spewed out to the public...

Big Macs are still being gobbled up at a record pace and new Micky D's are still springing up like weeds.
 

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The minimum wage here in Ontario (and all other Canadian provinces so far as I am aware) is far higher than it is in the majority of, if not all of, the U.S. states and none of that has happened here so I don't know why anyone assumes it would happen there. Unless, of course, they are merely making assumptions.

Here are the minimum wages here in Ontario, what are they in the various U.S. states?

Minimum Wage | Ministry of Labour


None of our industries have collapsed, particularly not our food service sector, so why, exactly, do people keep trying to claim that it would happen in the U.S. if minimum wages were raised there?

And someone (I think it might have been Geo) posted something here recently that demonstrated that if the minimum wage was raised the impact on prices at places like McDonald's would be minimal.

So if the minimum wage was raised your lives as Americans would certainly change, but it wouldn't be for the worse. Perhaps something might actually improve down there for a change.







Why be afraid of a debate?

While wages do need to be fairer, there is a point at which they DO affect the economy and the sustainability of industry. It is a sliding scale. It is not black and white.

Australia would have possibly the highest minimum wages in the world, and industry is doing it extremely tough (most former Australian manufacturing is now done in China). Even in mining, because of extraordinarily high wages, the big miners are pulling investment and moving it to cheaper countries. Australia is no longer competitive for manufacturing.

The Ford Motor Co recently announced its withdrawal from manufacturing in Australia. They said the cost of production in Oz was 4X the cost in Europe and 10X the cost in Asia. And they have been receiving subsidies from the Australian Government to remain in Australia for years.

The level of the minimum wage also affects small business's ability to create employment. It is a philosophical argument as to whether it is better to be working for a low wage (the working poor) or unemployed. The US seems to have chosen a tolerance for the former, while that is politically untenable in Australia, where, ironically, people would seem to prefer NOT to work (and receive unemployment benefits) than work for low wages.

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