Is this a 2017 True Historic case?

[DrSte31n]

Howdy, y’all,

Just received a brand new 2017 Gibson Custom Shop 1960 True Historic Reissue, and it came with the case pictured below.

Case tag says “Made in Costa Rica” on one side, and Dec 17 on the other. The Gibson Gold Warranty Card says the guitar was inspected in July 31, 2017. These dates, plus the foam inserts (that I believe are new to 2018?) make me suspect that the case is not the original case that came with the guitar. What do you guys think?



Pickup selector switch tip was broken (during shipping, I assume). Are these plastics the same as non-True Historics from 2017 and 2018? I believe so. In that case, dealer should be able to just send me a replacement?



Another odd thing is that the Gibson case candy is missing. Don’t care a whole lot about that, but... it’s supposed to be a brand new guitar.

Small issue on the headstock finish:



Lastly, I didn’t think True Historics had the gap between the fretboard and the neck pickup? Is that the tenon or just the pickup routing? Or both?



More pictures on a dedicated NGD thread if I decide to keep this guitar. Appreciate the comments! Thank you.

 

[Crotch]

Does the coa say true historic on it?

Seems like a lot of damage for a new guitar in my opinion, especially if it's a TH. Sure it wasn't cheap

 

[DrSte31n]

Does the coa say true historic on it?

Seems like a lot of damage for a new guitar in my opinion, especially if it's a TH. Sure it wasn't cheap

Yes. COA says TH, checklist says Th60, sticker on the pick guard says TH, and switch back plate medallion says TH.

Yeah, not sure how I feel about the damage yet. I guess it all depends on how good the guitar sounds. Haven’t been able to determine that yet since the neck is a bit back bowed so there’s quite a bit of buzzing. Strings were loosened up for shopping (I assume), so the neck lost tension and the truss rod was just doing its job? Right now I have the guitar resting in a horizontal position on my bench, hoping the neck will get back to normal after a few hours.

Haven’t contacted the dealer yet. I wanted to hear the opinion of the forum first . At minimum, I’ll ask them to send me a switch tip replacement.

Thank you!

 

[Crotch]

I'm not a good person to ask about TH plastics. I never paid attention honestly. I know someone will chime in. Good luck either way !

 

[DrSte31n]

Aha! Just found this post from Mark on another thread (http://www.mylespaul.com/threads/reissue-cases-true-historic-vs-the-rest.401184/):

There are only 2 Custom shop brown cases being used and there is no case designated as a "True Historic" case. Same case as any of the reissues. The cases with the foam inserts are the thinner actual Lifton reissue cases. And they usually come with the aged guitars, including True Historics. Most of those have been made in Costa Rica for many years now. The other brown case is actually the same basic case as the black Custom Shop case but with the Lifton brown tolex and pink lining. That case is actually the better and safer case as far as protecting the guitar.

 

[DrSte31n]

With that said, I guess my only concern with this guitar now is the damage (do people still care about case candy? I guess the dealer could send me the tags along with the switch tip replacement?).

 

[jlb32]

With that damage and stated as NEW? If the price is equal to the damage then maybe. What is the serial? That will tell the year, etc...

The deal just seems somewhat fishy IMO.

 

[lpthomas]

The inserts have been used for quite some time. They're not new for 2018. Some of the Slash guitars — First Standard and Anaconda — that came in the same cases had them last year, for example. Date dates are a bit strange though. But I don't know what Gibson's process is. Seems strange to finish a guitar in summer and put it in cases that come in in December.

I personally don't see any damage next to the neck pickup. The gap with the tenon construction always looks a bit messy in terms of finish and color.

 

[DrSte31n]

The inserts have been used for quite some time. They're not new for 2018. Some of the Slash guitars — First Standard and Anaconda — that came in the same cases had them last year, for example. Date dates are a bit strange though. But I don't know what Gibson's process is. Seems strange to finish a guitar in summer and put it in cases that come in in December.

I personally don't see any damage next to the neck pickup. The gap with the tenon construction always looks a bit messy in terms of finish and color.

Thank you. Yeah, I don’t see any damage next to the neck pickup either. The only irreparable damage seems to be on the headstock, as pictured below, since I’d imagine the dealer would send me a replacement for the selector switch tip.

 

[rockinlespaul]

That's unacceptable imho.

 

[Top Gun]

Yes the case is original to the guitar. The marks on the side of the headstock look like "hanger marks," not shipping damage. Do you have before photos of the headstock?
Also, the space between the end of the fingerboard and neck pickup is common on most TH's.

 

[DrSte31n]

Yes the case is original to the guitar. The marks on the side of the headstock look "hanger marks," not shipping damage. Do you have before photos of the headstock?
Also, the space between the end of the fingerboard and neck pickup is common on most TH's.

Thank you. Unfortunately, I don’t have photos showing the headstock close enough nor from the correct angle to be able to see the damage.

 

[DanD]

Thank you. Yeah, I don’t see any damage next to the neck pickup either. The only irreparable damage seems to be on the headstock, as pictured below, since I’d imagine the dealer would send me a replacement for the selector switch tip.

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He should send a few Benjamins with that tip for the hanger damage.

 

[DrSte31n]

He should send a few Benjamins with that tip for the hanger damage.

Yeah, I think I could keep it if they give me a discount. How much would be fair? I was thinking $300?

 

[DanD]

Yeah, I think I could keep it if they give me a discount. How much would be fair? I was thinking $300?

WW recently shipped me a Thin Skin Tele and it arrived with finish crack/chip at the top edge of the lower bout. It's a real nice Tele so I kept it. They gave me back 2 bills. I'd say at least 3 if not 4....

 

[jamman]

I lie sending a HNGD message , but ,,,,,
I'd send that back in a heart beat ...... IMO A gloss TH shouldn't look anything close to what you were sent . Someone beat up that guitar ..... BTW . The plastic tip gets shipped in the same plastic bag as the case key .So who ever put it on for shipping , either forgot to take it off (why was it put on in the 1st place?) or did know what they were doing ... It's a known problem , that these plastic tips sometimes break in shipping , which is why Gibson ships them un-installed ...
AFAIK , the Plastics haven't changed and even more CS LP guitars get the "new" type plastics on them as standard .

AFAIK , Gibson ,still doesn't sell any of the "new type plastics. as an aftermarket item , So , unless you get a replacement from Gibson , (demand a new 1 from the Dealer and also call Gibson directly about it ,if you keep the guitar. But if the condition of the guitar is an indication , I wouldn't trust the dealer much ,at all) .
Can't see it in your pic , Is the lacquer still on the side of the nut ? To me it looks like the nut was removed and replaced.... or something was done ....
COA , check list , and all that other stuff mean nothing ..What does the headstock stamp read ????? and what does the inside of the Control cavity read ???

Really , this whole thing makes me think something is very wrong with the whole deal . If it's a GREAT guitar , and you love it and can overlook all the junk issues . If it's Keeper ..Then I might consider keeping it . I'd be demanding a partial refund form the dealer , just to make a point .

How about a few pics of the guitar ...you know ,,we like seeing new guitars

 

[mudface]

This is the first time I noticed that the TRC is being placed right against the nut after so many years away from it.

This is my 2014 R8

 

[PierM]

This is the first time I noticed that the TRC is being placed right against the nut after so many years away from it.
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This is my 2014 R8
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Yep. True Historic had TRC against Nut, Standard Historic had the gap. At least I always noticed that in 2015 and 2016.

TH

SH

 

[mudface]

I guess that would be another TH indicator,... wow, thanks @PierM

 

[mudface]

It seems that the True Historic TRC location is not so true....

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