Iran Fires on Bases

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Saw a New York Times article today about how the plane being shot down is going to strain US/Canadian relations. Their rationale for the entire article is it's the United States fault the plane got shot down. Really? Because you know, you can't actually blame the fucking people that shot down a commercial airliner full of civilians.
 

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There you go.No brainer from the get-go.At least they admitted it.No choice anyway, too much evidence.

The bulk of the blame is still on why, a civilian airport is allowing flights out of Tehran,the airspace is a hot zone.They are surely not that stupid...but then everyone pays lip service in a totalitarian uber-religious state.If you suggest something,eyes are turned on you for responsibility...and suspicion.Better to stay quiet, avoid a trip to the gulag
.Act stupid,like..who...what? it's dangerous for civilian flights at this time? How can that be???

life is still cheap there,apologies not withstanding, even when it involves their own citizens.Where is the apology for 60 of their own citizens trampled to death worshipping a deity? Another 186?... nah, that is messed up.

Civilian agencies there are probably just a facade, as they pay lip service to the real boss.Everyone does what they are told.The face of totalitarian rule.You must march in lock-step with everyone,lest you be singled out and punished.
 
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There you go.No brainer from the get-go.At least they admitted it.No choice anyway, too much evidence.

The bulk of the blame is still on why, a civilian airport is allowing flights out of Tehran,the airspace is a hot zone.They are surely not that stupid...but then everyone pays lip service in a totalitarian uber-religious state.If you suggest something,eyes are turned on you for responsibility...and suspicion.Better to stay quiet, avoid a trip to the gulag
.Act stupid,like..who...what? it's dangerous for civilian flights at this time? How can that be???

life is still cheap there,apologies not withstanding, even when it involves their own citizens.Where is the apology for 60 of their own citizens trampled to death worshipping a deity? Another 186?... nah, that is messed up.
Are they that stupid? Yes, yes they are.
 

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Are they that stupid? Yes, yes they are.
When you live in fear,you do what you are told to do.stupid or not.Some supreme commander gave the fire order.But a grunt will be given the blame.That way they look good in punishing one of their own,a scapegoat has been found.( and life of their own people is still cheap,in their eyes).

The reality is,they would have never admitted it,if proof was not found.That is how they behaved,and when they could no longer hide it...admission of guilt.
That is the real face of that regime.

Waiting for the day of mourning there,186 killed,to rival the day of mourning for one,the soleimani man.won't happen.
 
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Saw a New York Times article today about how the plane being shot down is going to strain US/Canadian relations. Their rationale for the entire article is it's the United States fault the plane got shot down. Really? Because you know, you can't actually blame the fucking people that shot down a commercial airliner full of civilians.
Let me guess, they think it was the bullies fault for what happened at Columbine?
 

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Not that they had a choice, it was pretty clear, but that’s a smart move by Iran to admit it. I’m actually a little surprised. Hopefully this will turn into something more positive.
 

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I just hope this act brings NATO together and we really starve them out with sanctions.
Two good very separate points here.

Nato...listen up,you are the only multi-national enforcement body out there...we are going to need union in the years to come. Nato needs to evolve,while maintaining its watch on mother russia.
More regional slaughter will be on the agenda,somewhere.Everyone is armed to the teeth.So,every Nato member contribute,from putting down a firefight, to rendering aid,and evacuation where necessary...or possible.Not all are.assess first,quickly,and then take action.

Countries must have the right to evacuate their own citizens. As soon as the sol man was taken out,we (canada)should have reacted.It is a valid point not informing allies when they have citizens at risk of impending kaos only one partner knows about..What a different story this could have been if Canadians had have had that option.Send a C5 to UAE.Have it sitting on the tarmac,ready to go,and demand the right to evacuate.Those that choose to stay behind...your choice. but get our people out. Doesn't take much.That being said,as soon as IRAN said we will strike back...trudeau and Harjit should have been hopping like mofo's.Get our people out.
The world is more unpredictable than ever before...if democracy runs rampant,(several world states now in the throws of protest), it may stabilize.

Secondly,

Sanction them out till they drop...or,there is a revolt.Don't let people starve...that is what food aid is for.
Take away their means to propagate war.Or we will have more.They have promised as much.

We cannot undue what has happened.But we can prepare for the next one.And tighten the sanctions noose.
 
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