- May 29, 2011
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I would not pay any more than I would for an Epi.
It may have escaped your notice, but we are the market.This pointless troll thread should just die
The market not the maker determines prices
Gibsons ARE made in America
If you don't like the price, don't buy it.
Don't expect a bunch of whining, complaining and useless conjecture to change anything
A lot of things escape my noticeIt may have escaped your notice, but we are the market.
Obviously we're not the entire market ... but woe betide the businessman who ignores market complaints. Given the straits Gibson finds itself in currently, I'm comfortable standing by what I've written.A lot of things escape my notice
By "we" did you mean you, the handful of people in this thread, or the actual market?
Competitive capitalism means that every manufacturer charges what the market will bear. The market is made up of sellers charging what they can get away with and buyers paying what they can afford. Consumers paying more than they can afford by over extending their credit drives up prices more than any other single factor.
When wishful thinking, whining, and pointless conjecture become forms of currency you might have a point
You should be, you wrote itObviously we're not the entire market ... but woe betide the businessman who ignores market complaints. Given the straits Gibson finds itself in currently, I'm comfortable standing by what I've written.
Well, I wasn't assuming they -- or I -- were any majority.You should be, you wrote it
I'm not disagreeing with you, but there are always going to be complaints by those who just like to complain. It's a bit skewed to assume they are the majority just because they scream the loudest.
No. What I do is listen to the complaint, adjudge for myself whether or not it's apt, and if it is, I do indeed take action on it in order to avoid hurting people I care for, or even myself. Perhaps a clear delineation between "legitimate" and "unwarranted" is called-for?Do you personally change your behavior with every complaint? I haven't met anyone who does. Sometimes it's a legitimate complaint and other times it's just unwarranted bitching. I even ignore my own complaining half the time for the same reason.
No diversion, just discussion, bud.Nice diversion by the way
You mad bro?Well, I wasn't assuming they -- or I -- were any majority.
No. What I do is listen to the complaint, adjudge for myself whether or not it's apt, and if it is, I do indeed take action on it in order to avoid hurting people I care for, or even myself. Perhaps a clear delineation between "legitimate" and "unwarranted" is called-for?
No diversion, just discussion, bud.
This ^^^Didn't read through the entire thread, but I'll answer the original question.
If the guitar is made with the same specs, same materials, and same quality as the guitars being made in Nashville, and the price was reasonable (adjusted down to account for lower materials and labor costs), I would have no issue buying one. I buy a guitar based on how it looks, feels, and sounds. I couldn't care less where it was made or who it was made by so long as it feels, looks, and sounds right to me.
Why pay an extra $1000 or more just to have "Made in the USA" stamped on the back of the headstock if there is a cheaper alternative that is just as good?
It's not gone. It's even stronger in my mind, as none of their Chinese products have performed at a level to erase that thinking. Even the best Chinese Les Paul ever made (1960v3) is just another guitar with a poly finish, veneer, multi-piece body, etc.Using this cornerstone product in the link below and the ONLY difference would be production in Gibson's China factory instead of Nashville how much would you be willing to pay?
Plenty of financial woe stories about Gibson lately.
The offshore guitars are cheap mentality died years ago.
IMHO if Gibson kept a small custom shop in Nashville and moved production to the factory they own in China their unit sales and profit would increase substantially.
Again the overseas stigma is gone.
In the link above $1600 for a MIA Studio has a very small potential market.
$800 I have to believe they would get tons of buyers.