Ideal rate of twist (MLP firearms and shooting thread)

SteveC · Dec 4, 2022

I was not able to shoot our Action Pistol Match today, because I have the plague. As if that isn't bad enough, my Grandson won it.

There will be no living with him for a while. :laugh2:

I always root for him, but I do (did) enjoy beating his ass. Those days are very few and very far between, these days.

scott1970 · Dec 4, 2022

I usually shoot paper plates and steel but seldom shoot traditional targets because that's where I choose to be cheap. A few days ago, I found a tiny target left on my range by a neighbor. He'd shot it with a .22, but it had life left for a .45 so I stapled it onto a paper plate.

This was my first time shooting my ACW at twenty-five yards. All my issued duty guns had three-dot night sights, so this gold bead front sight and blacked out rear on the ACW has been a big adjustment I keep struggling with. But this gun has become my favorite gun, and I'll eventually get used to the sights and one day, maybe, shoot better with it.

SteveC · Dec 4, 2022

scott1970 said:
I usually shoot paper plates and steel but seldom shoot traditional targets because that's where I choose to be cheap. A few days ago, I found a tiny target left on my range by a neighbor. He'd shot it with a .22, but it had life left for a .45 so I stapled it onto a paper plate.

This was my first time shooting my ACW at twenty-five yards. All my issued duty guns had three-dot night sights, so this gold bead front sight and blacked out rear on the ACW has been a big adjustment I keep struggling with. But this gun has become my favorite gun, and I'll eventually get used to the sights and one day, maybe, shoot better with it.

Maybe throw on a set of Dawson's?

Shitty pix, but here's the Dawson FO front that I put on my 1911. I kept the stock rear sight.

scott1970 · Dec 4, 2022

I discovered my favorite sights, orange Ameriglo bold, with my final duty gun. For me nothing else performs as well day and night. Even in the bright summer sun in a tense situation that front sight was extremely visible when pointed at someone.

The gold bead captures light well, and I’ve already decided to stay with the current setup. It’s going to take time to get comfortable with these sights, but I have very few rounds through it compared to the tens and tens of thousands of rounds with three dot sights. The ACW does plenty well for my post retirement lifestyle and it’s thorough lack of excitement.

SteveC · Dec 4, 2022

Who said:
I have a Dawson front sight with a fiber optic rod that broke.

Now I need a new optic rod. But I don’t know the diameter to buy. Guess I have to buy them all.

I‘m going green this time. It was red before.

Reach out to Dawson, maybe they can get you the right one.

I do prefer the green. My trap/sporting clay shottie has multiple inserts. It came with red, but when I tried the green, I was sold on it.

That’s why the 1911 is green.

SteveC · Dec 4, 2022

scott1970 said:
I discovered my favorite sights, orange Ameriglo bold, with my final duty gun. For me nothing else performs as well day and night. Even in the bright summer sun in a tense situation that front sight was extremely visible when pointed at someone.

The gold bead captures light well, and I’ve already decided to stay with the current setup. It’s going to take time to get comfortable with these sights, but I have very few rounds through it compared to the tens and tens of thousands of rounds with three dot sights. The ACW does plenty well for my post retirement lifestyle and it’s thorough lack of excitement.

I have the Ameriglo on my 19. It has a tritium insert for nighttime. The rear sight also has a tritium insert, too.

Great sight set for a carry pistol.

TheX · Dec 5, 2022

TheX · Dec 5, 2022

SteveC said:
I have the Ameriglo on my 19. It has a tritium insert for nighttime. The rear sight also has a tritium insert, too.

Great sight set for a carry pistol.

I have the Trijicon RMRcc on my Shield Plus.

THDNUT · Dec 5, 2022

I use foam earplugs only. They're enough for me.

Leee · Dec 5, 2022

Same here.
At work or play.

Howard Leight Max
Orange with blue string.

Tried a lot of different ones over the past 35 years.
These work consistently well for me.

scott1970 · Dec 6, 2022

I had a hearing test last month and have hearing loss in both ears. No surprise after all the years of shoulder mics constantly going from barely audible to screaming and constantly running the siren. Plus, I have a healthy dose of tinnitus which is endless fun. So, whenever I'm at the range I wear earplugs and muffs.

edro · Dec 6, 2022

TheX said:

'Murica, by gawd!

SteveC · Dec 6, 2022

Who said:
If anyone is looking for a great deal on active earmuffs.........

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O
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Lowest price in years. Cheap enough where I bought a set just to keep in the car. In case I forget mine going to the range.

I wear those muffs for all my pistol shooting. I cannot wear them for long gun use, so I either use the disposable buds, or I'll use the rubber ones on a string, for those activities.

Jeremiah · Dec 6, 2022

I did not have good luck with the impact sport. It's like it doesn't cup to my head snugly. I'm having better luck with my cheapo in-store muffs I got while I did my live fire.

pnuggett · Dec 7, 2022

Who said:
I should have mentioned…. aftermarket replacement gel cups turn these into a very good set.

I used these.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0822RGZH8

As a backup set, I don’t know that I’ll bother.

I have those earmuffs and the gel cup upgrades. Good stuff.

pnuggett · Dec 7, 2022

What do you guys make of the latest lawsuit against SIG regarding the P320? I own one and think it's a pretty damn fine firearm. I have the P320X Full.

New England gunmaker hit with new lawsuit over unintentional discharges

A Sig Sauer handgun that allegedly goes off without the trigger being pulled is now at the center of a new multi-state lawsuit.

www.wcvb.com

Jeremiah · Dec 7, 2022

I think those are also the earlier models. don't forget, the P320 has gone through several revisions to the FCU and trigger since they started making it. I don't just mean the different versions of the gun, like the P320 Compact, the AXG, and the full size. I meant each of those guns has had internal revisions as new guns are produced to combat the known issues.

edro · Dec 7, 2022

Ok guys, a little help here.... Does the damn thing fire because of the weird dbl action mechanism mechanics where it's cocked but it's not but it partly IS really cocked? Just how in the stem winding hell can anything release without pull-trig? Para Ord designed a system with those LDAs (ungodly handguns, wish I had gotten an LDA) I think Glock is similar mechanism as are others, whether a hammer or not... I haven't ever heard of this I don't think.....

I just can't wrap my head around a Sig puking a round without somebody doing something....or a Glock or a Para Ord LDA....or any number of others...

I think I read in there only mentions of "a" round....as in single.... Why not multiple discharges? RnR?

Is there less danger of a puke actually shooting it (recoil forces, machine transitional forces, etc.) than 'not doing anything' and it just goes off?

Recoil, dropping it, throwing it across the room, won't make it go off....but lay it down on the table and the sumbitch will go off by itself and shoot the coffee maker?

And exactly how many out of total have exhibited that?

Be interesting if we could be privy to the above info from Sig and not from MSM....

Something smelleth...

PapaSquash · Dec 7, 2022

A while back someone on Sigtalk was saying that it is never that they were "sitting on the coffee table." they seem to go off when they are being handled in some way.

Nobody finds one that went off in the safe...

Hmm

pnuggett · Dec 7, 2022

Who said:
I think police-trade-ins will go through the roof.

Whether the suit has merit or not, no department is going to want to be associated with the "gun that just goes off".

Meanwhile (@edro will like this joke).... French military units are beginning to issue P320's to their troops.

So when the troops throw up their arms in surrender, and drop their guns, at least the gun will keep fighting!

Users[edit]

Country	Organization/Notes	Model	Reference
Australia:	Australian Defence Force: In 2022, the P320 XCarry Pro was selected to replace the Browning Hi-Power.	P320 XCarry	[46]
Bolivia	Cuerpo de Policía Nacional (National Police Corps)	P320	[47]
Brazil:	Civil Police of Ceará State Military Police of Ceará State	P320	[48][49][50]
Military Police of Goiás State	P320	[51]
Canada	Canadian Armed Forces: Procured for Canadian Special Operations Forces Command in 2019. Continued introduction throughout 2022 for Canadian Special Forces. On 7 October 2022, it was announced that the P320 was selected to replace the Browning Hi-Power as the new regular force service pistol. It will be designated the C22 in Canadian service.	P320 C22	[52][53]
Costa Rica	Public Force of Costa Rica: Adopting P320 9mm as national service handgun.	P320	[54]
Denmark	Ministry of Defense: P320 XCarry selected as standard issue sidearm. Deliveries set to be completed by the end of 2019.	P320	[55][56][57]
France:	French National Railway Company Security: replacing the Ruger SP101 revolver.[58]	P320	[58]
Wasquehal Municipal Police	P320	[59]
Mexico:	National Guard of Mexico: Placed order of 50,000 P320 9mm pistols in April 2020	P320 9mm	[60]
Norway:	Norwegian Police Service: Adopted the P320XCarry in 2019, replacing the SIG Sauer P226 and Heckler & Koch P30.	P320 XCarry	[61]
Spain	Grupo Especial de Operaciones: the police tactical unit of Spain's National Police Corps currently adoption P320 Pro 9mm handguns.	P320	[62]
Switzerland	St. Gallen Police	P320	[63]
Thailand	Royal Thai Police: purchased 152,468 SIG Sauer P320 pistols in December 2017	P320
Ukraine	Armed Forces of Ukraine	P320 M18	[64]
United Kingdom	West Midlands Police: The P320 replaces the P229 9mm.	P320 9mm	[65]
United States	United States Armed Forces: On 19 January 2017, the P320 was chosen to replace the Beretta M9 as the United States Armed Forces' main service pistol in response to the request for a Modular Handgun System (MHS).	M17 M18	[9]
United States Department of Veterans Affairs Police: the P320 replaces the SIG Sauer P229R DAK 9mm.	P320 9mm	[66]
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement	P320 9mm	[67]
United States National Park Service	P320 9mm
Braintree, Massachusetts Police Department	P320 .45ACP	[68]
Cambridge, Massachusetts Police Department	P320	[69]
Somerville, Massachusetts Police Department	P320	[70]
Chicago Police Department	P320	[71]
Dallas Police Department	P320	[72]
Hawaii Department of Public Safety	P320	[73]
Oklahoma Highway Patrol	P320	[74]
Pasco County Sheriff's Office	P320	[75]
Texas Department of Public Safety	P320	[76]
North Miami, Florida Police Department	P320
Virginia State Police	P320	[77]
Ventura County, California Sheriff's Office	P320	[78]
Manchester, New Hampshire Police Department	P320	[79]
Concord, New Hampshire Police Department: the P320 replaces the SIG Sauer P229R .45ACP.	P320 9mm	[80]
Portsmouth, New Hampshire Police Department	P320	[81]
Newington, New Hampshire Police Department	P320	[82]
Tampa, Florida Police Department: the P320 replaces the Smith & Wesson M&P .40S&W.	P320	[83]
Lloyd Harbor, New York Police Department	P320	[84]
Delaware State Police	P320	[85]
Milwaukee Police Department	P320	[86]
Sumnter, South Carolina Police Department	P320	[87]
Newark, Delaware Police Department	P320	[88]
Miami Beach, Florida Police Department: the P320 XCarry was chosen as the department's new duty sidearm in 2021, replacing the Smith & Wesson M&P .40S&W.	P320 XCarry 9mm	[89]
Bay Area Rapid Transit Police Department	P320 9mm	[90]
Nevada Highway Patrol	P320 9mm	[91]
Virginia Division of Capitol Police	P320 9mm	[92]
Ames, Iowa Police Department	P320	[93]
Puerto Rico Police	P320 9mm	[94]