Ideal rate of twist (MLP firearms and shooting thread)

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I feel the same way about my Shield. The 8rd mag just fits my hand better than the 7. First thing I did was get a couple more 8's.
Not me. The Shield still does not feel right in my hand even with the Hogue grip. My CZs have felt right from the day I first picked them up.
 

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Does anyone know if you can buy the X-grip mag extensions separate.....does the one for the 238 also fit the 938?

I use x-grips on several of my magazines but it seems as if you have to buy the entire mag if you want the extension?
I know the intent is to have less printing when carrying concealed. The grip length is the hardest part to conceal.
 

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It feels great with the x-grip extension on the mag (as to why I was inquiring about buying just the extension for the 2nd mag....came fro the factory with one extension and one with no extension??).....but I also have not fired it yet.

going to try and make that happen before my studio session tonight.
Unfortunately, no.
The 938/238 mags have welded floorplates, like a 1911. That extended magazine you have is actually a 7-rounder, as opposed to the mag-well-flush 6-rounder. The magazine body of the extended one is longer.

You can slide the pinky extension off your 7rd mag and compare it to your 6rd, and see what I mean.

I have a P938 that I bought from Sig. It is the Xtreme model, and came in the “blue label” LE package with an extra mag. I paid just shy of $500 for it 5-6 years ago, direct from Sig on a VIP-type deal, so your $400 for a used/not-used one is a smoking good deal.

Like @pinefd , my EDC is now a 365, but my 938 is never going to be sold. It sits in a John Micah pocket holster on my bench in the basement, where I work on guns and guitars, in quick reach if I have to run out to one of the barns or the chicken coop.

If you’re interested, the P290 comes with flush-fit 7rd, and extended 8rd mags that are the same basic construction as a P938. My wife’s EDC is a P290, and I have confirmed reliable function with one of her 8rd mags. It sticks out the magwell, gangsta-style, with no proper “extension”, but it does work.
 

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@HardCore Troubadour , here are some pics.

This one shows the different 938 and 290 mags. Left to right:
938 7rd,
938 7rd w/ pinky extension removed
938 6rd
290 7rd
290 8rd
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This is with an 8rd P290 magazine I modified to work in my P938. I’d forgotten, but I had to cut a mag catch notch in it. Took 5 minutes to measure and cut with a dremel, but still is modified.
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Here’s what makes the P365 such an attractive option. A 365 12rd and 10rd next to a 938 7rd and 6rd.
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I know the intent is to have less printing when carrying concealed. The grip length is the hardest part to conceal.

I personally feel like folks who carry make way too much over what "platform", what caliber, how many rounds, number of mags, sights, concealability/cover garments/length of grip, etc. when the focus should be on the ability to use the sidearm.

I've open carried in uniform for over two decades, and I've carried concealed off duty for the same amount of time. Folks ain't paying attention to you. Make a half way decent attempt to conceal and the vast majority of folks you will encounter throughout the day will have no idea you are armed. I carried a full sized Glock 9mm into Dollywood yesterday with an IWB holster and a tee shirt, walked past numerous security officers, countless visitors, and no one noticed.

Wanna gain the real advantage when it comes to carrying a handgun? Get online, research the mess out of self defense schools/instructors, and take as much training as you can reasonably afford. Then practice what you've learned. This is what makes the real difference. It ain't length of grip vs. length of slide, caliber, number of rounds you tote, etc. It's skill and proficiency.

Next to training and proficiency I'd probably list quality of belt and holster assuming someone knows the difference between quality sidearms and crap.

Rant off.
 

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My Lee 4-20 casting pot finally died after a good dozen years. I bought it used at a fair price, and I definitely got my money's worth over the years. I poured tens of thousands of rounds from this thing, but it's over and done with.

My brand new Lee 4-20 arrived today, and it is phenomenal. The drips are gone, the temperature control is very specific, and I'm back to rolling in bulk projectiles again. I really can't get over just how nice this new pot is compared to the worn out, old one.

 

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Not me. The Shield still does not feel right in my hand even with the Hogue grip. My CZs have felt right from the day I first picked them up.
I'm with you on the shield. The only one I find fits my hand at all is the 45. The smaller grip of the other calibers is too dainty, and I by no means have large hands.
 

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Hey guys, maybe you can with your superior web-hunting powers, help me out a bit here.

I want a CVA muzzleloading shotgun kit. 12 ga, side-by-side.

I know they make them, or they used to, for years and years.

I saw some mention of them when I googled, but their site is extremely difficult to navigate. I can barely get the page up, let alone move around on there. And it's rather ambiguous anyway.

I don't care if its CVA, or some other outfit that carries CVA or an independent.

It just needs to be a reasonably-price DIY kit for a side-side dubba-barrel "coach gun". Percussion.

I saw some bullshit from Dixie gun works as a kit for almost $1.000. ..for a kit.

Bullshit. I know I can get a kit for around the $300 mark.

Can any of you help me out?
 

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I personally feel like folks who carry make way too much over what "platform", what caliber, how many rounds, number of mags, sights, concealability/cover garments/length of grip, etc. when the focus should be on the ability to use the sidearm.

I've open carried in uniform for over two decades, and I've carried concealed off duty for the same amount of time. Folks ain't paying attention to you. Make a half way decent attempt to conceal and the vast majority of folks you will encounter throughout the day will have no idea you are armed. I carried a full sized Glock 9mm into Dollywood yesterday with an IWB holster and a tee shirt, walked past numerous security officers, countless visitors, and no one noticed.

Wanna gain the real advantage when it comes to carrying a handgun? Get online, research the mess out of self defense schools/instructors, and take as much training as you can reasonably afford. Then practice what you've learned. This is what makes the real difference. It ain't length of grip vs. length of slide, caliber, number of rounds you tote, etc. It's skill and proficiency.

Next to training and proficiency I'd probably list quality of belt and holster assuming someone knows the difference between quality sidearms and crap.

Rant off.
hear hear.

More emphasis on using the damn thing, becoming proficient, than buying and clamping on the latest, greatest techno gadget.
 

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I've open carried in uniform for over two decades, and I've carried concealed off duty for the same amount of time. Folks ain't paying attention to you. Make a half way decent attempt to conceal and the vast majority of folks you will encounter throughout the day will have no idea you are armed. I carried a full sized Glock 9mm into Dollywood yesterday with an IWB holster and a tee shirt, walked past numerous security officers, countless visitors, and no one noticed.
A lot of that has to do with body type.

Excellent points about training and practice.
 

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A lot of that has to do with body type.
good Lord this. I could appendix a Barret and no one would notice, give me anything at 4 o'clock and you'd notice it at 100 yds.

obviously that's an exaggeration, but that's just my body type. Appendix was not my first choice, but everything else was terribly uncomfortable.
 

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none of you P938 guys warned me about the guide rod being 2 piece and having a habit of backing out from the seat....and then of course, backing forward, all the way out of the slide....only to nestle somewhere in the grass etc. etc never to be found again........lol, all I can do is laugh, it seems to be a common problem.

I will call customer service tomorrow and hopefully they will replace without payment, and if not, it will cost me $20 (and a tube of red locktight).

If you did not know, here is your warning.
 

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My comments were not directed toward you, by the way.
No worries. I never thought they were. Just adding another data point. EG: I don't like inside the wasteband holsters. Not even a body type thing. Personal comfort and preference are also issues affecting choice.
 

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That 938 is built on a 1911 platform.....

I guess it will run without the guid rod until you remove the slide for cleaning.....I never had a problem while firing it....

hell, when I tore it down and the spring and guide rod head popped lose, I actually figured that the rod was also there somewhere....and spent about an hour looking in, around, behind, and over my work bench.....drove me nuts.


once I read some things online, it probably actually slid out the end of the slide while I was shooting etc. etc.

Sig Sauer dropped me one in the mail this morning....great service.
 
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@SteveC, how do you carry your magazines for 3-gun? I’m taking a three-day carbine/pistol class next month. I’ve never owned or used a mag carrier for a rifle.

I’m fine with gear for a pistol. I’m not looking to spend money getting tacti-cool, but I will need something for spare AR mags.

For me, I’d prefer to keep things on my belt. Mainly because I don’t want to look like a military wanna-be.
LOL -- Well, I'm not into the tacti-cool madness, either. But, in this case the best vehicle that I found for carrying both AR and pistol mags (in sufficient quantities) is this vest. It will give you at least 4 AR mags and up to 6 pistol mags. There is an inside front web pouch, where you can carry a couple more mags. Sometimes I need 8 AR mags, so I store the other 2 in that pocket.

Condor Recon Chest Rig (Black)

There are other vest/carriers, most are similar to this one, some are better, some are worse, however, most are much more expensive. This is a great value and I knew folks who used it, before I got it. So, it came well recommended.

So, yea... it's a little bit tactical, but it does exactly what I need. It will serve you well, too. And, it will not break the bank!!!

To complete the carriers...

I have a belt mounted carrier system for shotgun shells. It arranges the shells in a special way, so that I can grab them in groups and feed them, rapidly, 4 in succession. There are some great YT videos that show how this works, better than I can explain it. I can't find the model that I use anywhere just now, but they all look, work and cost about the same.

That may change soon, as magazine-fed 3-gun shotties are starting to make their way onto the 3-gun scene... they could be game changing, if (big IF) they prove to be reliable. I'm looking at one now, but not yet ready to take the plunge. I will need to upgrade my vest to hold at least 6 of those mags, too.

Good luck with the class. It should be great!
 
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Thanks, Steve!

You said (paraphrasing) “Sometimes I need 240 rounds of .223”.... what are you doing when you need that?!



I’ve now signed up for two classes... the pistol class I posted, plus the 3-Day “gunfighter” course.

If I wanted to burn through another $500+$200 in ammo.... Larry Bickers is running a 2-day pistol course about 15 miles from me in two weeks. I would like to take that, too.... but it’s a little much. I need to pace myself.
It's easy to get carried away, trust me! This kind of stuff is orders of magnitude more fun than punching holes in paper targets over & over.

I suggest that you take what you learn in the first 2 classes and spend a few months perfecting the techniques. That will be a better use of time and save you some money (or, at least defer the cost for a bit). Plus, when you go to the next class(es), your proficiency level will be higher and that will allow you to get more out of the training.

I never learned new stuff, until I could perform the stuff that I learned previously as best as possible and from instinct and muscle memory (without thinking).

Anyway... 8 magazines does not always = 240 rounds - LOL

I guess it's easy to hear 8 mags and assume they will be loaded to 30 rounds, but that's not the case. We do shoot some courses of fire that do call for 1-2 fully loaded mags. But, most of the time our load is only 8-10 rounds per magazine. We're more interested in challenging reloading skills than mag dumping.

For example, at this year's champion's match (twelve shooters, each of us who has won one of the regular monthly matches to qualify for entry) we ran 8 mags of 10 rounds each, over this course of fire, on the clock. it was 160 rounds for the match, since each person ran the course 2X and both times were added together for a final score. So, I needed 8 magazines to compete. Since each stage required a new mag of 10 rounds.

And, that's where the carrier comes in, you have to carry your mags with you, as you run from stage to stage.

Starting at position 1, we shot the steel at 200 yards (5 rounds standing support hand, 5 rounds kneeling strong hand)), dropped the mag, ran to position 2, loaded and shot the zombies (5 rounds prone strong hand, 5 rounds standing support hand)), dropped the mag and ran to position 3.... etc. etc. etc.

Each position always required 2 different engagement methods, combinations of standing, kneeling, prone. And, sometimes it also alternated between strong hand and support hand.... but not every time.

Any procedural errors (shooting from wrong position/hand or in the wrong order) earned you penalty time, any misses earned you penalty time. Hitting no-shoots also earned penalty time. And, any "Failure To Neutralize" (not getting at least 2 hits per target)... yes, you guessed it... earned you penalty time.

No one shot the course "clean", it was too hard. But, the difference in total time between 1st place and last place was about 7 seconds. There were some really good shooters!


Here's a map of the course of fire...

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Here's a few pix of me running the course. I used the mag carrier, but removed the pistol mag holders....

Shooting the steel at 200 yards position 1(strong hand)

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Shooting the Zombies position 2 (strong hand)

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Shooting the Sammys position 3 (strong hand)

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Shooting the Angled Steel position 6 (support hand)


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Shooting the Sammys - position 8 (support hand)

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