Ideal rate of twist (MLP firearms and shooting thread)

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Yep, TNT Guns & Range. I think it is such a great idea, especially for a place like Utah where there are so many gun owners.
 

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State Steel Challenge Match tomorrow. Hoping to be "in the money", again. The summer matches are hit or miss, weather-wise. It can be a swealtering, 90+ degree summer day (as it will be tomorrow), or it can be a day filled with showers & downpours.

In either case, I am ready this season. My newly built gun cart just got a nice upgrade yesterday, an umbrella holder. So, I'll be sitting in the shade, in-between stages.

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After dragging-ass last weekend I bought a wagon similar to this:

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Now you have me thinking about the umbrella thing. Maybe I should have found a stroller.
 

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After dragging-ass last weekend I bought a wagon similar to this:

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Now you have me thinking about the umbrella thing. Maybe I should have found a stroller.

I see a lot of people with a cart just like that one. About 75% of the shooters have a cart of some kind. That cart and a stroller make up 99%. It's split 60/40 between the Stroller (60) and wagon.

Most of us with strollers ALSO shoot other types of events, where the stroller is more advantageous. At a 3-gun match, for example, I will have my AR in the right side grips of the stroller, and my shottie on the left. When my wife and I shoot sporting clays, we each have a shottie. It's just much easer to access the rifles in a stroller, than from the wagon. And, I think the stroller is easier to navigate around than a wagon.

But, I see plenty of people with a wagon, who also use an umbrella. They mount the holder thing that I have on one of the legs, above the wheel.

Here's the link to the umbrella holder: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FH6CS2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

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Thanks.

What are you doing tonight to prep? Anything? Do you have to travel far to the match?

Is Steel Challenge always the same stages/distances?
 

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After dragging-ass last weekend I bought a wagon similar to this:

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Now you have me thinking about the umbrella thing. Maybe I should have found a stroller.
I have one like that. Instead of a shooting cart that costs more, I got a garden cart that was less expensive simply because of the target audience.
 
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Thanks.

What are you doing tonight to prep? Anything? Do you have to travel far to the match?

Is Steel Challenge always the same stages/distances?
I used to practice with 10" paper plates spaced out along the target backers before these matches. But, I don't generally do that much any longer.

These matches are about 90 mins from my house - kind of a long drive, but well worth it. They are very well run and a lot of fun, even when you don't do too well. I have to leave at 0630 to be there to sign in at 0800 and the match starts at 0900. So, it is a long day. I don't shoot it every month. I'm taking August off.

Steel Challenge matches always consist of the same identical eight stages.
Here they are: http://steelchallenge.com/media/stage-diagrams.html

You can learn more about Steel Challenge in general on the East Coast Steel Challenge Web site. http://eastcoaststeelchampionship.com


@SteveC, how’d the match go?
Well, I shot a mediocre match, finishing 39th out of 100 shooters. Even coming in 11th in my division, RFRO (Rimfire Rifle Open), out of 28 shooters was less than stellar. Ironically, I missed the money (they pay 10 places/division) by 0.04 seconds. Which is representative of the kind of day that I had, performance wise. Just a bit off, all around.

My split times were slow and "beep to first shot" averaged 1.50 seconds. That is just not going to get it done, when you really need to be no slower than 1.00. The best shooters are 0.80- 1.10 and often LESS. That doesn't seem like a lot, but when you consider that you shoot 5 strings for each stage - keeping your best four times, a ½ second X 4 strings = 2 seconds/stage... X 8 stages/match is 16 seconds. That will kill your hopes of making a top 3 in your division and top 10 overall.

For example, it I averaged my typical beep to bang of 1.20 - 1.25 seconds, I would have finished around 12-14 place, overall. And, for sure it would have been a top-5 division finish.

I just didn't have it yesterday. Usually, the rifle is very good to me. But, I couldn't get off the timer fast enough and my target-to-target transitions were awkward and not smooth. I never fell into a rhythm.

That's OK -- I really love the fun, camaraderie, ball-busting and enjoyment of spending all day thinking about nothing but my next string.

Oh, and the cart & umbrella performed wonderful... much better than I did - LOL
 
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I took my .30-06 to the range this past weekend. Haven’t shot it in forever. It’s a nice Remington 700 BDL.

I’ve always had a little regret with this rifle because it’s got a little more kick than I like. I should have gone with a 270 or even a 223.

An employee at the range asked if I’ve ever tried a .300 Blackout. I didn’t even know what it was. I think the guy said it may have less kick than a standard .30-06 cartridge. It was hard to hear what he was saying.

Question: Seems basic but will a Blackout cartridge fit a .30-06? I assume so since they’re both 30 caliber. Will it have less kick?
 
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Question: Seems basic but will a Blackout cartridge fit a .30-06? I assume so since they’re both 30 caliber. Will it have less kick?
No, 300 Blackout is not the same cartridge as 30-06. It was a cartridge designed to give a .30 option in the AR15 platform, and works well as a subsonic suppressed round in short-barreled rifles. Subsonic 300 BLK also provides the AR15 with a subsonic round that will cycle the action (subsonic .556 will not cycle the action of an AR). 300 BLK can only be fired in a rifle chambered for 300 BLK.

In this image 30-06 is on the left and 300 BLK is on the right.

 

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Thanks! Yeah that's a significant difference. I know Remington makes these Managed Recoil rounds. I'll have to try them
 

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No, 300 Blackout is not the same cartridge as 30-06. It was a cartridge designed to give a .30 option in the AR15 platform, and works well as a subsonic suppressed round in short-barreled rifles. Subsonic 300 BLK also provides the AR15 with a subsonic round that will cycle the action (subsonic .556 will not cycle the action of an AR). 300 BLK can only be fired in a rifle chambered for 300 BLK.

In this image 30-06 is on the left and 300 BLK is on the right.

Gawd, I hope Rob doesn't see this. I don't have time to read a short novel of expanding your words for a few days....lol. I think subsonic 300 Blackout is his latest child and he custom makes food for it. :)

"To expand on what 45WinMag said, in the year 1686 the gun was...…….." :cool2:

(Just kidding, Rob.....maybe)
 
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Gawd, I hope Rob doesn't see this. I don't have time to read a short novel of expanding your words for a few days....lol. I think subsonic 300 Blackout is his latest child and he custom makes food for it. :)

"To expand on what 45WinMag said, in the year 1686 the gun was...…….." :cool2:

(Just kidding, Rob.....maybe)
You're correct-- I spent a good, long time developing cartridges for .300BLK. It was great fun, especially forming cartridge cases from spent .223's. :thumb:

Basically, I have most of that work done, though I will (perhaps) have some adjustments to make and a few more experiments to perform once my tax stamp arrives and I can fetch my silencer out of the gun shop safe. It has been almost nine months since I sent the check and paperwork in. Last fall's government shutdown didn't do me any favors. :(

But I thought that 45WM answered the guy's question perfectly when I spotted the post last night, and so fear not: I have nothing to add to what he already said. :laugh2:

--R :D
 
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Maybe I can prompt a book from Rob. When I said 300 BLK can only be fired in a rifle chambered for 300 BLK, that is not entirely correct (but I didn't want to add confusion with somebody asking about cartridges as vastly different as 300 BLK and 30-06). You should be able to chamber and fire 300 BLK in a rifle chambered for .300 Whisper/.300-221/.300 Fireball.

Take it away, Rob...
 

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Maybe I can prompt a book from Rob. When I said 300 BLK can only be fired in a rifle chambered for 300 BLK, that is not entirely correct (but I didn't want to add confusion with somebody asking about cartridges as vastly different as 300 BLK and 30-06). You should be able to chamber and fire 300 BLK in a rifle chambered for .300 Whisper/.300-221/.300 Fireball.

Take it away, Rob...
:laugh2:

Well...

.300 Whisper began its life as an experimental cartridge of sorts, with a firearms designer and ballistician named J.D. Jones working on creating a cartridge type that would fire a projectile in the neighborhood of about 240 grains, which would travel somewhere under 1186 FPS (at sea level), and which would...

HEY! :mad:

Very clever, Mr. WinMag... you almost got me going there... :squint:

--R :laugh2:
 

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Got a good dip on the .308 upper and lower. It turns out my issues were due to crap activator that was leaving the film too solid - the film wanted to wrap like a sheet instead of flow like liquid. I used an older can of another brand and got much better results. I also used a styrofoam cooler for a dunk tank instead of a disposable baking pan - the depth made the dip much easier.



 

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I took my .30-06 to the range this past weekend. Haven’t shot it in forever. It’s a nice Remington 700 BDL.

I’ve always had a little regret with this rifle because it’s got a little more kick than I like. I should have gone with a 270 or even a 223.

An employee at the range asked if I’ve ever tried a .300 Blackout. I didn’t even know what it was. I think the guy said it may have less kick than a standard .30-06 cartridge. It was hard to hear what he was saying.

Question: Seems basic but will a Blackout cartridge fit a .30-06? I assume so since they’re both 30 caliber. Will it have less kick?
I find my 30-06 kicks less than my brother's 270. Both weigh about the same and both are american standard wooden stocks.
 




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