How do you know when you've got a keeper? (R9 content)

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Hi all. Long time lurker here with a story and a question.

I have been on a quest for a couple R9's and wound up buying 2 in the last week from different sellers. Got ok deals for both. I found a VOS R9 Tobacco sunburst that is shaping up to be the Lester against which all my others might be judged. It was set up well out of the box and sounds very articulate, resonant and chimey unamplified. The EQ of the guitar (or the pickups, not sure which) seems to be very balanced as the stock BB 1 and 2's sound balanced and really nice in all positions. I am rarely happy with the neck position in Lesters so this is a welcome and happy surprise.

The second R9 is a Washed Cherry VOS that looks FANTASTIC (can you tell I want it to work based on how much I love it's looks? ;) but the setup was terrible and in its current condition does not seem to have the same magic as the Tobacco R9. I put new strings on, which helped but amplified it sounds more congested in the lows and mids and does not quite have the same "zing" or chime when played acoustically, though it is quite resonant.

When strummed acoustically it seems to exhibit a bit more of the fundamental with less overtones than the other R9 and the pickups do not sound as balanced when played amplified. The bridge pickup sounds good (doesn't it always?) but the middle and neck positions are congested. I have goofed around with pickup heights, which helped but A/B'ing it with the Tobacco R9 it is still not quite there. Is it possible the BB's or the electronics could be inconsistent enough to be the culprits or is it more down to the EQ of the particular guitar?

I guess I'm wondering how you guys evaluate the potential of a candidate axe and if anyone has tips or suggestions on how to tell if said axe could be elevated to greatness by throwing a little more money (pickups, electronics, maybe new bridge) vs knowing when to walk away.

I realize this is subjective but also know a lot of folks here have been through similar crucibles and might have helpful advice. Thanks!
 

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I could write a book on this one............but I am just about to go out to see the Dr Zhivago Musical with the family.

Will share my experiences & comment tomorrow. :)
 

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I would go with the first one. You seem more attached and it sounds like the better guitar. It's your choice really.
 

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I would go with the first one. You seem more attached and it sounds like the better guitar. It's your choice really.

Sorry, I should have specified that the question was not in regards to which one to keep. I am definitely keeping the Tobacco but am going to get a Cherry lester as well, just wondering if this one is the right one and mentioned the Tobacco as a reference point.
 

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Only you can decide if its the right one. What you may love others may hate.
If there was just one correct type of guitar there wouldn't be strats,teles,semis,jazzboxes etc.
Honestly, just go with what YOU feel is the guitar that speaks to you. The one that you find yourself gravitating towards, the one you pick up and play most is the one.
 

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When you know, you just know, you know...
 

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Wow, sjw, you are goona have one helluva sound... sick guitar in the works, serious amp and some silly tubes coming...

Hey, any chance you have any pics of the axes?

Cheers bro.
 

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I really only go by playability and acoustic sound.
 

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Always a good reference....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6zw6RSZzU]YouTube - ‪Spinal Tap Les Paul‬‏[/ame]
 

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Regarding comparing the two when plugged in:

Does the Washed Cherry guitar have the BB1 and BB2 pickups?

Do both guitars have the same type and value capacitors?
 

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Listening to a guitar acoustically can be a good indicator of what you might get amplified, but it is not a guarentee. You need to evaluate through an amp because that is the real voice. These guitars are meant to be played through an amp and as such, the electronics are a part of the equation.

However in this case, if your tobacco one sounds better, the WC one will never be as good. You could upgrade the pups and imnprove its sound but if you do the same to the tobbaco one as well, that one will sound even better yet again.

If your want a WC R9 that sounds great and looks great, it might take some time finding that particular axe that fits the bill. Once you have heard a great one, nothing will compare until you find a better one. But finding that one can be alot of fun.

You might also consider an R8 etc., the R9's have nothing special over an R8 or R0 other than neck size.
 

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... if your tobacco one sounds better, the WC one will never be as good.

(and) Once you have heard a great one, nothing will compare until you find a better one...
+1

Same model, yet, not as good? That's an easy decision.
 

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Regarding comparing the two when plugged in:

Does the Washed Cherry guitar have the BB1 and BB2 pickups?

Do both guitars have the same type and value capacitors?

Pretty sure the pickups and electronics are identical. It was advertised as having BB 1 and 2's and "bumblebee" caps.

Played it a little more last night and acoustically it is definitely a resonant guitar but the setup is really working against it. I only have till EOD today to decide on keeping or not so that is why all my hub bub in posting this question.

I do think this axe has some potential. I just don't know if I want to throw even more money at it after playing the Tobacco one that is a smoker out of the box. Would be awesome to find a Cherry that produces the same effect!
 

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Playability is paramount to sound in my book, and more difficult/expensive to get right. What sounds great today might not tomorrow; playability based on neck carve, weight, fret finish, etc. are much more stable and long-lasting (at my age, eternal).

At the end of a week playing only two guitars for equal time, I'd know. And I'd do it all plugged in. I really don't care what an electric guitar sounds like unplugged.
 

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I'd say that the Cherry probably isn't the right one for you then, try Brett @ Eddie's!
I'm sure he'll help you out and pick one that sounds AND looks good!!
 

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I'd say - keep the one which has more sustain! So much sustain as much you'd go to the moon and back and it'll still be ringing......:naughty:
If the cherry ain't got it, it ain't the one ;)
 

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Wow, sjw, you are goona have one helluva sound... sick guitar in the works, serious amp and some silly tubes coming...

Hey, any chance you have any pics of the axes?

Cheers bro.

Here is my beat up '74 Superlead that I've been using to test these new Lesters. Just got some old amperex 12AX7s from Lespaul01 and am looking forward to putting them in when I get it retubed!

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And here are the axes in question. The Washed Cherry:

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The Tobacco:

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And my Rossington, for good measure ;)

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I do think this axe has some potential. I just don't know if I want to throw even more money at it after playing the Tobacco one that is a smoker out of the box. Would be awesome to find a Cherry that produces the same effect!

You don't by an R9 on potential. This is an expensive guitar by any measure. It should be right for you, right away. When I bought my last Les Paul, I played about 100 Les Pauls over a one week period. What really stood out, was how different they could sound, with essentially the same components.

My second thought, is why do you want two R9's that sound the same. Variety is the spice of life. Get variety in both sound and color.

Finally, I just got a new custom built Rist Showhorse. I love the unplugged tone. The pickups we choose are a little to dark for it. I will be getting different pickups. But even with dark pickups it still gets amazing tones. When I put a treble booster in front of it, it is right where I love my tone. So I am willing to make pickup changes or modify my amp/effects settings. Even with pickups that are wrong for you, you should still be able to dial in good tones.

Let that one go and find another one. I suggest, getting in a plane or car and going to a big city with lots of guitar stores so you can try as many guitars as possible and find the right one. You are spending several thousand dollars for a guitar, spend a few more bucks to check it out first.
 

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