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Bill Hicklin

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As of January 1, in New York, here are the crimes for which a defendant MUST be released, without bail. None of these activities, apparently, are considered a threat to public safety, according to the geniuses who now run New York:

• Burglary in the second degree (residential burglary)
• Burglary in the third degree
• Robbery in the second degree (aided by another person)
• Robbery in the third degree
• Manslaughter in the second degree
• Criminally negligent homicide
• Aggravated vehicular homicide
• Vehicular manslaughter in the first and second degrees
• Assault in the third degree
• Aggravated vehicular assault
• Aggravated assault upon a person less than eleven years old
• Vehicular assault in the first and second degrees
• Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds
• Criminal possession of a firearm
• Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree
• Criminal sale of a firearm to a minor
• Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the first and second degrees
• Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the first and second degrees
• Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near school grounds
• Use of a child to commit a controlled substance offense
• Criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
• Patronizing a person for prostitution in a school zone
• Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
• Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child
• Promoting a sexual performance by a child
• Failure to register as a sex offender
• Bribery in the first degree
• Bribe giving for public office
• Bribe receiving in the first degree
• Arson in the third and fourth degrees
• Grand larceny in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees
• Aggravated cruelty to animals
• Overdriving, torturing and injuring animals
• Failure to provide proper sustenance to animals
• Animal fighting
• Unlawful imprisonment in the first degree
• Coercion in the first degree
• Criminal solicitation in the first degree
• Criminal facilitation in the first degree
• Money laundering in support of terrorism in the third and fourth degrees
• Making a terroristic threat
• Obstructing governmental administration in the first and second degree
• Obstructing governmental administration by means of a self-defense spray device
• Promoting prison contraband in the first and second degrees
• Resisting arrest
• Hindering prosecution
• Tampering with a juror
• Tampering with physical evidence
• Aggravated harassment in the first degree
• Directing a laser at an aircraft in the first degree
• Enterprise corruption
• Money laundering in the first degree


Note that this is also a backdoor sanctuary law, because if criminal illegals aren't in custody, ICE can't execute a detainer.
 

Crotch

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No one is feeling bail reform. Even the usual suspects (NY Times, CNN) think it's bad. I could only find one positive article (besides one on Slate-which I won't even click on).
 

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Yeah. I'll bet all of the poor misguided miscreants doing the crimes on that list can be trusted to show up in court! What is the purpose of actually arresting somebody? Might as well just get good ID and cut them a ticket for that negligent homicide.
 

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As of January 1, in New York, here are the crimes for which a defendant MUST be released, without bail. None of these activities, apparently, are considered a threat to public safety, according to the geniuses who now run New York:

• Burglary in the second degree (residential burglary)
• Burglary in the third degree
• Robbery in the second degree (aided by another person)
• Robbery in the third degree
• Manslaughter in the second degree
• Criminally negligent homicide
• Aggravated vehicular homicide
• Vehicular manslaughter in the first and second degrees
• Assault in the third degree
• Aggravated vehicular assault
• Aggravated assault upon a person less than eleven years old
• Vehicular assault in the first and second degrees
• Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds
• Criminal possession of a firearm
• Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree
• Criminal sale of a firearm to a minor
• Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the first and second degrees
• Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the first and second degrees
• Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near school grounds
• Use of a child to commit a controlled substance offense
• Criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
• Patronizing a person for prostitution in a school zone
• Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
• Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child
• Promoting a sexual performance by a child
• Failure to register as a sex offender
• Bribery in the first degree
• Bribe giving for public office
• Bribe receiving in the first degree
• Arson in the third and fourth degrees
• Grand larceny in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees
• Aggravated cruelty to animals
• Overdriving, torturing and injuring animals
• Failure to provide proper sustenance to animals
• Animal fighting
• Unlawful imprisonment in the first degree
• Coercion in the first degree
• Criminal solicitation in the first degree
• Criminal facilitation in the first degree
• Money laundering in support of terrorism in the third and fourth degrees
• Making a terroristic threat
• Obstructing governmental administration in the first and second degree
• Obstructing governmental administration by means of a self-defense spray device
• Promoting prison contraband in the first and second degrees
• Resisting arrest
• Hindering prosecution
• Tampering with a juror
• Tampering with physical evidence
• Aggravated harassment in the first degree
• Directing a laser at an aircraft in the first degree
• Enterprise corruption
• Money laundering in the first degree


Note that this is also a backdoor sanctuary law, because if criminal illegals aren't in custody, ICE can't execute a detainer.
Wouldn’t it have been quicker to type out a list of what you you can be locked up for.
 

LtDave32

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C'mon man.

It can't be that bad.

There's some first-degree (evidently, level of "degree" is the game-changer here) stuff that would get you locked up in CA and the key conveniently lost.

Namely, ALL the animal crimes listed. And rightly so.

Vehicular Assault in both the first and second degrees?

Out here, a vehicular assault is considered ADW, I believe. It's certainly grounds for a LEO to shoot.

And so many others I saw there, wouldn't fly here.

As mentioned upthread, it would be easier and shorter to list what one will get incarcerated for.
 

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There’s an argument that it’s the business of bail that they’re getting out of.


if Bob and Sheila commit the same crime, and Bob is poor and Sheila is rich, then Sheila is far more likely to be able to make bail and be out than Bob. Because she is rich. But justice should not be based on rich or poor.
 

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Am I correct in thinking you guys are running out of Jail Cells?

:cheers2:
 

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The best way to claim a reduction in crimes is to reduce what is considered a crime.

Did you know?
  • The overall crime rate in New York is 28% lower than the national average.
  • For every 100,000 people, there are 5.45 daily crimes that occur in New York.
  • New York is safer than 22% of the cities in the United States.
  • In New York you have a 1 in 51 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.
  • The number of total year over year crimes in New York has decreased by 6%.
New York, NY Crime Rates & Crime Map
www.areavibes.com/new+york-ny/crime/

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Why Does Crime Keep Falling in New York City?

Mayor XXXXXXX and the New York Police Department have much cause for celebration. Last year was undoubtedly the safest year on record in decades, setting new benchmarks for crime reduction across most major categories, according to the latest crime data released by the NYPD on Friday.

 
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I am old enough to remember what a shit hole NYC was in the 1970's.
Looks like soon its going to be just like old times.
You said it.

I first visited NYC as a kid in the '70s and it was a complete sh*t hole. I started hanging out in NYC in the late '80s (think 'crack epidemic') and it wasn't much better. I lived in NYC for most of the '90s, during which the City transformed itself from third world sh*t hole to first world tourist destination and one of the safest big cities in the world. That transformation came about due to strict law enforcement and taking the City away from the criminals and giving it back to the law-abiding citizens.

This bail 'reform' is just the worst of many bad ideas in NYC that will turn it back into a dangerous, undesirable sh*t hole.
 

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So the opposite of one broken window policy.

Great idea...Crime falls when there is no convictions so, NYC has that going for them.
 

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People... equal is not always fair. Wrap your heads around that.

Bail is there for a reason - to ensure appearance at trial. I'm sorry if you are poor and cannot make bail. That's not my problem. Perhaps, just perhaps, you should have thought about that while you were committing the crime.

So, fuck you to the poor and/or illegal, cocksuckers who commit crimes and then, cannot make bail. Rot in jail, motherfuckers. Or ship them the fuck out.

What the fuck is wrong with us? Where did the sanity go in this country. When did we start becoming such fucking idiots?

Oh, wait... never mind.
 

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I understand and agree with the need for bail reform and other criminal justice reform measures. That being said, NYC and and some other jurisdictions have gone too far. They're endangering the public with their over the top reforms.

Bail has been around since the 1600s in England and the English Bill of Rights is where we get our understanding and the basic wording of the 8th Amendment. It seems to me that bail is a necessary thing in that even though we are innocent until proven guilty and therefore shouldn't be punished for a crime until we've had due process and been adjudicated guilty in a court of law, there must be some mechanism to ensure that people will comply with the judicial process and show up for trial and hearings, etc.

As part of the due process, a judge determines, based on statutes, how much bail to set, whether to release someone RoR or to hold them with no bail. Judges should be allowed to do their jobs and to weigh the risk to the public with the rights of the accused. As Steve says, equal isn't always fair.

As distasteful as they might appear, bail bondsmen...like car title loan companies and pawn shops...serve a need. They provide financial assistance to those with little wealth, poor credit history and other financial issues.
 




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