Historic Reissue, or not even a genuine Gibson?

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If they'd advertised it as a Traditional (with different serial number), it would probably have gone unnoticed, but they got too greedy. Clearly fake.
 

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I do not think that Gibson embossed the serial number, they used rubber stamps and paint or ink. These look stamped into the wood.
 

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Not to mention the open book headstock looks a little flat and drawn out...Weird! And the tuners look similar to a few of the Chibsons I've owned in the past.
 

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The tuners aren't even lined up right - that would NEVER pass QA with Gibson. it's a FAKE. The wiring is wrong and the pots aren't Giboson. This is a piece of firewood.
 

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The tuners aren't even lined up right - that would NEVER pass QA with Gibson. it's a FAKE. The wiring is wrong and the pots aren't Giboson. This is a piece of firewood.
Maybe right, but......Gibson has no Qualtiy Control.....they really can´t.
 

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Saw this guitar listed on eBay as a Gibson Les Paul. It has some features that would indicate it being a Historic reissue including an ink serial number and ABR-1 bridge, but a couple of things don’t look right to me:

Fretboard binding does not have nibs.
Bridge pickup appears to be mounted unusually far from the bridge.
Control cavity rout looks wrong, and it has 2 holes drilled for the pickup and selector switch wiring to come through instead of 1 channel.
Les Paul Model silk screen font appears thicker than normal, though I suppose this could possibly be an illusion caused by lighting and the gold paint reflecting.
Hard case has the dark red lining seen in 2000s era Custom Shop cases, but it only has a single neck rest instead of 2.

Do any forum members have an opinion or insights on whether this guitar is actually a legit Gibson or not?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392970036418

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You been had.
 

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You been had.
Hi Mario, I didn’t actually buy the guitar, and never thought it was a genuine Gibson. The purpose of starting the thread was just to see if any other forum members might recognise some telltale detail of the guitar’s construction that would conclusively identify it as either genuine or fake, and to flag up a possible counterfeit being offered for sale.
 

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It's difficult to say if Ebay stepped in though because lately they seem to let everything slide.
I’ll report a listing if I see one where the seller is not upfront about their guitar being a replica of whatever brand/model and instead tries to pass it off as the genuine article. Sometimes eBay act, sometimes they don’t. I guess they can’t always pull a listing just because some random person has made a report. Some of the fake stuff out there really takes specialist knowledge to identify as fake, especially when the pictures aren’t too clear.
 

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Looks like someone’s been duped, ended as no longer available, someone prolly bought it off book, and more fool them. I get people asking to do that for a lower price, I tell them to do one.
If you don’t know the details of what makes a guitar genuine it’s all to easy to fall for a fake, I, for example would be very wary buying a high end strat as I know very little about them.
 

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The controls cavity has 2 holes to let in the pick up wires, never seen that in a Les Paul (normally one central hole where both pickup wires are coming from).
The bridge also looks too far from the bridge pickup.
 

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The controls cavity has 2 holes to let in the pick up wires, never seen that in a Les Paul (normally one central hole where both pickup wires are coming from).
The bridge also looks too far from the bridge pickup.
Truthfully the 2 holes for the wires is quite an amazing feat of building. If you think of the location of it and how you'd have to drill it (the angle of the long drill) its quite the accomplishment for it to have arrived neatly in the electrics cavity like that......given that its probably come from the neck pickup slot.
I wonder when in the build process it was done.
 

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I’ll report a listing if I see one where the seller is not upfront about their guitar being a replica of whatever brand/model and instead tries to pass it off as the genuine article. Sometimes eBay act, sometimes they don’t. I guess they can’t always pull a listing just because some random person has made a report. Some of the fake stuff out there really takes specialist knowledge to identify as fake, especially when the pictures aren’t too clear.
Even if the seller tells you it is fake, it is illegal to sell and is certainly against the TOS of ebay.

Don't buy illegal copies. Eventually someone will get ripped off thinking it real and it cheapens the real Gibson brand.
 

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Even if the seller tells you it is fake, it is illegal to sell and is certainly against the TOS of ebay.

Don't buy illegal copies. Eventually someone will get ripped off thinking it real and it cheapens the real Gibson brand.
Absolutely. I’m sure you can understand though that it’s not my full time job or responsibility to report fake stuff on eBay. But I’ll actually take the time to go through the process of flagging something up if I’m positive it’s a clear scam intended to rip off an unwary buyer. If others want to knowingly purchase acknowledged ‘replicas’, I don’t see that’s any of my business.
 

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Amazing how difficult it is for some to grasp how the illegal trade of a replica of anything both increases the initial cost of the item and lowers the resale value at the same time.

Calling out that it is fake doesn't make the sale legal and doesn't negate such valuation effects.
 

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Amazing how difficult it is for some to grasp how the illegal trade of a replica of anything both increases the initial cost of the item and lowers the resale value at the same time.

Calling out that it is fake doesn't make the sale legal and doesn't negate such valuation effects.
Hi Christopher, I fear you may have misinterpreted something in one of my posts here as defending the sale of fakes.
 

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it look=a - like-a scam!
never buy off e-bay
I bought many Les Pauls off Ebay between 2007 and 2016 prior to these imposed taxes (thanks Mr. Trump for making us pay internet sales taxes) and they were all wonderful and easily traced and Japan didn't monopolize Ebay's guitar market with their super inflated price gouging. Today I wouldn't even buy a bubble gum wrapper from their site, especially with this pandemic where they don't answer phones or communicate anymore and have rendered it virtually impossible to recover losses from rip offs, not to mention their greed. More honesty is to be found on Reverb Music.
 


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