Historic Changes '93-'07

FLICKOFLASH

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Got any inlay pix ? & a shot of the control cavity would tell too. A 2000 reissue would have Gibson branded pots and ceramic disc caps
 

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Here is the response I got from my contact at Gibson. He confirms it is a 2010 and they did not make R8s in 2000 (but I have never seen one from 1999 in my life either)


This serial number rolls as a 2010 LPR8. The 58’ Les Paul plain top was available from 1994-1999, same specs as LPR9 but with plain top.

58 Les Paul figured top available 1996-1999.





80016
LPR8PVOWCNH1
1958 Les Paul Plaintop VOS
1/18/2010






Regards,



Gibson customer service

service@gibson.com
 

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That's interesting, Flick. The pots/caps had been replaced by the time I got the guitar, so no telling what was stock. I had contacted Gibson on my own and they had recored that the serial matched three guitars at the time, one of which was a 2000 but couldn't tell from the records what it was. :laugh2:

As for the inlays, they definitely have the rounded corners typical of that era. Here are a couple of pics.






If it's something other than a 2000 R8, I'm all ears. I highly doubt it's a 2010, though. I picked it up in May of this year and it already had been PLEK'd and had a decent number of mods done to it. It was nicely broken in as well. Add the inlays into the mix and I don't know how it could be from 2010. :hmm:
 

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Hmm that DOES appear to be a 2002 R8!! Well, I have never seen a 1999 R8 either, but Gibson says there are. Remember there are R8 Juniors as well. That one must either be a special order or a 1999 R8 that did not get a serial number until the serial numbers on 2000 R8 Juniors were well underway. Very mysterious Les Paul. Very cool.
 

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2002

* Genuine Kluson tuners for the early units.
* Improved tuner bushings
* More accurately shaped fingerboard inlays
* Non-wire ABR-1 bridge for the early units.
* Amber tophat knobs
* CTS pots
* Owners Card (listing name, serial number and the dealership), Certificate of Authenticity, Reissue Strap, an Embroidered Les Paul Swatch and a Custom Care Kit.
* Burstbucker type 2 & 3.
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I called Gibson and gave them the serial number of my 2002 1958 Reissue Butterscotch Flametop.
They told me my guitar was produced in early 2002 and had '57 Classic pickups.
 

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Only the Custom Authentic R8s of 2001 and 2002 had Burstbuckers, the normal Historic R8s of 2001-02 had 57 Classics. However ALL 2002 R9s had Burstbuckers (1 and 2)
 

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could anyone tell me if 2004 was a good year for the R9's. I was looking at one in very good condition. and how many were made that year the # 9 4491. any information would be great thanks inadvance.
 

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'90s guitars had a variance of hard and soft maple tops. They were graded by flame!

Pick guards were hand cut until mid '97.
 

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i have a Gibson R0

serial is 0 7060

i bought it, on the info that it was a 1997 - but that could also relate to a 2007

BUT............ didn't later years have the numbers M YXXXX ie. 4 digits for the production number?

rather than M YXXX

I've been searching for better info on knowing what features mean cetain years but not getting much luck! - anyone got any decent links?

Maxc
 

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i have a Gibson R0

serial is 0 7060

i bought it, on the info that it was a 1997 - but that could also relate to a 2007

BUT............ didn't later years have the numbers M YXXXX ie. 4 digits for the production number?

rather than M YXXX

I've been searching for better info on knowing what features mean cetain years but not getting much luck! - anyone got any decent links?

Maxc
The inlays are a dead give away. From 2003 onwards they have sharp pointed trapezoids before that they had more rounded edges to them.

Also before '99 they had black side dots rather than faux tortoise shell.

Pictures would help greatly.
 

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Right or wrong, 2009 info. :)
1959 LP Specs

Quote:

Without question, 2009 has been one of the most exciting years in Gibson production history. In celebration of the 50th anniversary of the 1959 Les Paul, Gibson has retooled many of their production processes in an unprecedented effort to tweak the specs of the historic Les Paul line even tighter to replicate the original guitars.


With over 30 spec changes, a few specific changes really stand out to me:

1. Neck shape.
New drafting technology allowed for the development of new 59 neck profile by digitally mapping original examples of this “holy grail” guitar. The neck retains the same thickness as previous years but there is now less “cheek” or “shoulder” on the necks. The result is a neck that really fits well in your hand. It is a substantial, yet graceful neck that gives has a slight hint of a soft V, especially when playing in first position.

2. Nylon 6/6 nut. This is a change the vintage purists have requested for years. Gibson used different material for nuts over the years ranging from bone to nylon, plastic, and most recently, Corian. While Corian is an excellent nut material, nylon 6/6 was the material used in the 1950s and provides both a visual and mechanical difference. The blue/white color of nylon 6/6 is something that sends a thrill down the spine of the vintage guitar freak, (count me in). It also provides a natural lubrication factor which helps guard against strings binding up in the nut slots.

3. Mahogany to rosewood and maple ratio. Close examination of vintage examples reveal that while the overall dimensions of recent historic Les Pauls have been correct, the fingerboards and maple tops have been slightly too thick and the mahogany backs and necks slightly too thin. Fingerboards and maple tops are now thinner and the mahogany has been beefed up to make up the difference. We are not talking huge numbers here, maybe just the thickness of a couple of business cards. But when you think of the amount of surface area on a maple top, that is a lot of real estate!

4. Wireless abr-1 bridge. The return to the wireless abr-1 is further improved by a complete retooling of the bridge to much tighter tolerances. The saddles sit tight in the slots. This, coupled with the absence of the retaining wire, means there is less sympathetic vibration of these parts when the guitar is played and that results in better tone transference.

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2009 R9 Changed Features:
Nylon 6/6 nut
Improved ABR-1 bridge (no-wire, tighter tolerances)
Historically correct nickel-plated brass bridge saddles
Correct alloy saddle adjustment screws
Bridge height-adjusting thumbwheels are now thinner
Neck profile changed - now has less "shoulders"
Audio taper CTS pots
50s wiring
Pickup routes adjusted so that pickups will be parallel to the strings
Top carve changed to be closer to several original '59s that were scanned
Body perimeter change - slightly tighter in waist, cutaway area refined to be more like originals
The maple cap is very slightly thinner, the mahogany body is very slightly thicker
The fingerboard is slightly thinner
The step from neck heel to back of body is taller and more correct
The taper of the "maple window" under the binding in cutaway is more accurate
The maple spline (filler strip) in the tenon is more accurate
The edge radius on the backside of the body is tighter (less rounded)
The "mustache curve" of the headstock top has been flattened slightly
The control cavity plate has been relocated, has the correct side taper, and now uses the correct ABS plastic
The pickguard shape has changed slightly
The pickguard bracket and screw have been changed
The truss rod cover has been reshaped to be more accurate
The serial number location is slightly lower and more correct
Dial pointers are less sharp
The strap button screws are longer
The jack hole is now the correct 1" diameter
The toggle switch nut has more correct knurled pattern
Are this specs made on all Gibson CS on only for R9?
 




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