Henry J VS BCR Greg

[KP]

It's all good...I probably should learn to use whatever color text I am suppose to know to use in situations like that....I can't keep the protocols straight half the time....sorry for the confusion. Hasta.

Purple.... Purple. Or this purple.

 

[emoney]

Finally, there's starting to be at least a shred of logic, in that there's been a post condemning the "extremes".

See, the problem with threads and rants of this nature is that without providing an alternative, noone is listening. To say that all Corporations are the evil, "American Killer"
is practically crazy talk. Corporations exist because a group of people got together, with
a singular focus that is usually all about making profit from a business. They are no
different than Joe Q. Public, Inc. Lawn Maintainence, just a much larger scale. And, news
flash, the head of Joe Public himself is out to make the most possible money he can for
him and his family, just like Henry is for the Gibson corp. Now, I'm not condoning Henry's
business idealology, because quite frankly I don't know it. (as a matter of fact, I find it
odd to call him Henry because I don't even know his last name). But, to condemn him as
the "evil one" because his goal is to increase the bottom line at Gibson does not hold
logic. What would you expect his main job to be? Would Joe Public be expected to focus
on only the color of grass he cuts? Or, would you expect him to cut as much grass as
deemed financially responsible for the committments he's made? Again, I'm not a Gibson
Corp. fan boi, but I do at least hold them in higher regards, in that they have resisted the
dollar's pull to go off shore with all of their manufacturing. And, please, don't try to
logically argue that point because anyone that's naive enough to think that Gibson
couldn't be more profitable by closing down all US operations and moving everything
overseas is just fooling themselves. Sure, a few purists would leave the brand, but the
mass amount of people who could now afford a $300.00 Gibson Les Paul would more than
make up for it.

No, the real culprit is personal greed. We want EVERYTHING and we want it faster,
cheaper, prettier, bigger, tastier and more readily available and we won't budge from
that. Admit it, if you laptop, pc or mac takes more than a few seconds to load this
page you're ready to put your hammer through it. AND, when the new iPhone comes
out next week/month/year, you expect it to be cheaper than the last model, because
hey, the technology is getting cheaper, right? We have to learn to do with less and
to spend more time practicing the guitar instead of buying it or stuff for it. And, until
we do that, the "henrys" of the world will continue to be overpaid because they know
how to provide us with "the stuff" and how to do it faster, cheaper, prettier, bigger and
more readily available.

 

[bonanza2252003]

Or, you could move to communist China and have someone in government tell you what you are and aren't going to do, what you are going to think, etc.....and if you disobey, they will point a gun at you and pull the trigger.....every democrat/socialist/marxist's dream?

I quit taking your points seriously when they contain partisan hack comments like this last post.....

Yes somethimes I go off on a tangent to the right. But I'm glad you don't take it too seriously.

 

[bonanza2252003]

I agree. But the OP is stirring it up saying, basically, watching people starve is every republican's dream. That's just stirring the pot up.

Ok . Admitted . I went a little over board with that one . I can Slam the Dems to even it out if you wish.
I am an independant personally .

 

[BillB1960]

It ain't always the private sector folks! My son in law worked for a small privately held high tech firm until a few months ago. He was making around $18 an hour. One day they called him in and told him that business was down because of the recession, blah, blah, have to let you go, etc. Later he was told by a friend who still works there that 2 people were hired to take his place at significantly lower wages. Why? Stimulus money from the Obama administration. The company not only got credit for 'creating a job' but they also got a handout from the government to help pay the wages.

 

[kernelofwisdom]

Ok . Admitted . I went a little over board with that one . I can Slam the Dems to even it out if you wish.
I am an independant personally .

 

[bonanza2252003]

Finally, there's starting to be at least a shred of logic, in that there's been a post condemning the "extremes".

See, the problem with threads and rants of this nature is that without providing an alternative, noone is listening. To say that all Corporations are the evil, "American Killer"
is practically crazy talk. Corporations exist because a group of people got together, with
a singular focus that is usually all about making profit from a business. They are no
different than Joe Q. Public, Inc. Lawn Maintainence, just a much larger scale. And, news
flash, the head of Joe Public himself is out to make the most possible money he can for
him and his family, just like Henry is for the Gibson corp. Now, I'm not condoning Henry's
business idealology, because quite frankly I don't know it. (as a matter of fact, I find it
odd to call him Henry because I don't even know his last name). But, to condemn him as
the "evil one" because his goal is to increase the bottom line at Gibson does not hold
logic. What would you expect his main job to be? Would Joe Public be expected to focus
on only the color of grass he cuts? Or, would you expect him to cut as much grass as
deemed financially responsible for the committments he's made? Again, I'm not a Gibson
Corp. fan boi, but I do at least hold them in higher regards, in that they have resisted the
dollar's pull to go off shore with all of their manufacturing. And, please, don't try to
logically argue that point because anyone that's naive enough to think that Gibson
couldn't be more profitable by closing down all US operations and moving everything
overseas is just fooling themselves. Sure, a few purists would leave the brand, but the
mass amount of people who could now afford a $300.00 Gibson Les Paul would more than
make up for it.

No, the real culprit is personal greed. We want EVERYTHING and we want it faster,
cheaper, prettier, bigger, tastier and more readily available and we won't budge from
that. Admit it, if you laptop, pc or mac takes more than a few seconds to load this
page you're ready to put your hammer through it. AND, when the new iPhone comes
out next week/month/year, you expect it to be cheaper than the last model, because
hey, the technology is getting cheaper, right? We have to learn to do with less and
to spend more time practicing the guitar instead of buying it or stuff for it. And, until
we do that, the "henrys" of the world will continue to be overpaid because they know
how to provide us with "the stuff" and how to do it faster, cheaper, prettier, bigger and
more readily available.

Excellent point .

I often tell the story about how my Dad had to scrimp and save and make sacrifices to buy my first 10 speed bike for me.( we were not rich).
I still remember it cost $112. Almost 40 years ago .And there were'nt many options or brands to choose from. It was made in America and of reasonable quality.
Today , 40 years later, you can buy the same bike in 100 diffent colors ,shapes and sizes at walmart for almost half that price. I find that completely amazing and mind numbing.
We (the consumer) do indeed carry a large part of the blame. We no longer are willing to pay for american products in favour of there cheaper counterparts.
My issue though is more about social responsibility. Corps have none and its amoral.
I don't mind companys supplying us with all the things we need and want as long as they exibit some moral responsibility while doing it.
Don't fool yourself thinking walmart can't afford to cut there profit margians a little in order to treat their employees fairly. They will not go bankrupt. As someone said earlier . There is a balance here .An extreme on one side or the other is not beneficial for anyone . But don't ever believe a moral and socialy responsible balance can't be struck between employers and employees .
There will always be unhappy people on both sides but its all about meeting in the middle. Right now, for the most part, the Big corps have run amuck and are a long way from the middle ground.

 

[emoney]

But I think you also fail to see that the big hair monster that is Wal Mart, is also
the largest employer in a lot communities. Sure, you can argue, "But at what cost".
But the truth is, those communites grow when Wal Mart comes to town. They are
both creating and stirring a lot of local economies. Now, by no means am I a
"wal mart fan boi" either, but I also know that the squeeking wheel is the only one
getting the oil. I've seen the "behind the scenes stories" and read the horrific
working environment reports, but I ask you this, "Would you work there if it was as
bad as has been suggested?" "Would anybody that you care about?". Maybe it
isn't THAT bad (no better way to put emphasis on a word) and a lot of the horror
stories are manipulated by Wal Mart's competitors, albeit far fewer in numbers these
days. Truth is, Sam Walton had a vision and he got to live to see it realized, although
like a snowball, things change and Wal Mart has changed from his ideals. But, as an
entity it hasn't 'strayed' from those ideas.

It's funny, Wal Mart is the one place where everybody you know says they hate and
that they avoid like a plague, but at the same time, you can't find a parking space on
a Sunday night at 12:30. What's up with that? If they carried Gibson, at a reduced
price, would you purchase one from there?

 

[AngryHatter]

Isn't Gibson privately held?

(Which would obviate many of the diatribes contained here)

 

[BillB1960]

Isn't Gibson privately held?

(Which would obviate many of the diatribes contained here)

Yes it is.

 

[CenCalPlayer]

Purple.... Purple. Or this purple.

LOL.....Okay, I just got edjumacated..

 

[H.E.L.Shane]

I just farted.

the truth is... the Governemnt, Henry J, and pretty much the rich in general give about as much of a shit that I just farted as the rest of you do.

The only time they are going to get the hint is when the peasants revolt.

 

[bonanza2252003]

I just farted.

the truth is... the Governemnt, Henry J, and pretty much the rich in general give about as much of a shit that I just farted as the rest of you do.

The only time they are going to get the hint is when the peasants revolt.

funny but true