Help to identify this modified deluxe please!

71gibby

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I posted the weight of this guitar in another thread (8.29lbs) and what I was sold as a 1971 Les Paul deluxe. But since the original pots are gone I don’t know if it’s 1971 or not so maybe the experts here can help.
it came with an abr1 with nylon saddles and the min humbuckers that supposedly were in the guitar prior to the humbuckers in there now. Any insights would be appreciated !
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One more pic and also, it has a 3 piece mahogany neck and pancake body
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The location of the square wire route and the minimum exposure of the neck tenon leads me to suspect it’s a ‘73-‘74.
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The block logo is certainly a feature of the early 70's....but it was used on the 75 sparkle deluxes too. So there is some degree of re-use which muddles the timeline.
Other 71's (one with goof rings making it certainly early in the decade) on google show the same sort of tenon too.....so its not out of the range of possibility for that tenon to be 71.
 

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I never noticed the blockiness of the Gibson logo before and that it could be used to narrow down the date. Interesting and thanks for the info!
 

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if you will spend some time reading this section, you will find most all of that info here about the changes and identifiers by date etc.

I think it is mid to late 1974.... I think the location of the square channel rules out 1973 and 1975 (unless it was started in 74 and finished/dated in early 75).

That square channel is on the move...it is already out from behind the pot and moving towards it's new location and shape for mid 1975.

rounded edges on the cut for the control cavity, no "flat spots".
FYI that is NOT a small volute as you stated earlier.....it is a ski slope.
Those routes are also pretty rough (although that has nothing to do with the date)...not Ace Frehley rough but not a very good job, either.

I just don't think 71 is really a possibility for dating the guitar....but we all know the neck could be a little older than the body etc.

it was definitely the angle of the other photo that made the headstock look so narrow.



once again, we see a LOT of people selling 74/75's as 71's etc. trying to get more money.
 
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I see what you mean about the square channel. Interesting. Is that a well known trait or from observations ? I can’t find any info about that spec on the internet other than this site.
And is it possible that Gibson may have stuck a 1971 neck on a 1974 body?
Also here’s some pics of my 1974 custom and the guitar in questions volutes. The custom is defiantly larger.
 

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I see what you mean about the square channel. Interesting. Is that a well known trait or from observations ? I can’t find any info about that spec on the internet other than this site.
And is it possible that Gibson may have stuck a 1971 neck on a 1974 body?
The things that got 'left around' were typically small things that could fit into boxes and therefore wind up on back of shelves. So logos or headstock veneers are prime candidates. Pots (and other electronic items) are another where I'm sure there were boxes sitting that got found later on.
As the general spec from 70-75 was generally the same, we have taken to dating guitars using these 'other bits' quite a lot.
 

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Thinking 1974 with a headstock repair, quite possibly done at the same time as the refin and routing. As long as it plays well, enjoy it!
 


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