- Dec 12, 2012
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What kind of shaded lacquer would I use? So far I've just been staining it straight onto the wood (raising the grain a couple times before hand). Do you recommend I try seal the grain with some sort of sealer and then apply stain?Be aware that staining the maple directly gives a TOTALLY different look as compared to spraying shaded lacquer over the wood. Your classic Les Paul sunburst uses the shaded lacquer approach, PRS and the guitars I posted above use the stain on wood approach.
You just apply the stains where you want them, darkest stain FIRST, and blend them with a solvent soaked rag, and sand back the "high spots" of the maple for a second, lighter dye coat if you want that high contrast PRS look.
This shows the two base colors I applied, before blending with a solvent soaked rag.
That also lightened the overall color, somewhat.
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm planing on getting aerosol cans for the clear coat. I think another reason I'm so reluctant to spray the finish is because I already bought the stains like an idiot without looking for other options HOWEVER- I think I recall having some sort of spraying device in the garage- as to whether it's useful or not I don't know. I'll try dig it out and get a photo and post it here and look into it. The stains I have are ColorTone which luckily can be used for hand rubbed and spray (all I'd need to do is find a solvent). Soooo what I might do (if the spray thing can work or if it even exists!)I'll experiment with that some and see what's easier and look better etc.So if you are spraying the clear, why not spray the color as well? Just curious.
Thank you Daniel! I checked out the 'newbie build' and the final product looks that of an experienced professional! With the sprayer bottles, how does he nail that fade without getting specks w/ the spraying?You can use the dyes you have in lacquer, and for a super affordable option check out these Preval sprayers. It’s essentially a spray can that you mix your own colours for. I’ve seen them used with very good results. Check out this build: https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/newbie-1959-burst-build.128342/
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Hey cmjohnson, I've currently got Stewmac's Colortone stain. I'm sure I can scrounge around for some sort of thinner and hopefully find a sprayer type thing!! I might try that out (I'm not sure if the colortone stains fade or not but it would be interesting to try) Just to confirm, the shading lacquer would be the darkest colour? I'm planning a 3-tone burst with a nice dark red, then cherry red, and finally a vintage amber.Yes, share photos of your work! All efforts are commendable, and commendable efforts lead to stunning efforts with a little practice. Never be ashamed of what you've poured your heart into.
Shading lacquer is easy. Just add dyes to clear lacquer. This goes on second to last. Clear overcoats go on last.
For dyes, LMII sells some really good dyes that are available in both water soluble and alcohol soluble versions. I recommend the alcohol soluble versions because they won't raise the grain in the wood.
Mohawk makes some really good penetrating stains as well. Fiebing's leather dyes can be great, but be aware that some of their dyes are lightfast, but then again, many of their dyes fade quickly on exposure to sunlight, too. If in doubt, dye some samples and leave them in the sun for a couple weeks.
That was always one of my favorite build threads from back in the heyday of the forumThank you Daniel! I checked out the 'newbie build' and the final product looks that of an experienced professional! With the sprayer bottles, how does he nail that fade without getting specks w/ the spraying?
It looks amazing! When I get home I'm going to see if I can get closer to that desired colour and fade (referring to the dark red on page 1). I think if it's more concentrated then it might become a more solid colour but I'm unsureThat was always one of my favorite build threads from back in the heyday of the forum
Thank you, I'll check out the Preval bottles and see what I can do hopefully this will all be worked out and ready by the time it comes to the real thing!Colortone stains are good and they don't fade. If you have them, use them.
You don't get spots when spraying a shaded finish if the spray paint can is properly shaken up for even mixing, unless the nozzle is very low quality. Preval bottles are pretty good and can yield professional results if you do your part right.
Another question. Would I hand rub the base colour (Vintage Amber) and then spray the darkest colour (Red Mahogany) and smooth out the transition between the two with Cherry Red? What would I spray and in what order? Would you please be able to explain a good process in preparing the wood like to what sanding grit you'd go to and then what you'd do for spraying/hand rubbing etc. and what you'd do to get the bourbon burst type look (referring to the photos on page 1)Preval bottles are pretty good and can yield professional results if you do your part right.
Yeah I was pretty suspicious of it too. I was reading through the booklet that came with it and found that it came from Aldi which is basically a grocery store so I really cant imagine it's great quality.I bought a gun like that for painting a house, once. Splatter city! It was a much nicer one than that, too. Rollers would have been better.
That's not what you want. It's made for latex paint and thick stuff, doesn't have the control and range of mist / air you want etc.
If you are doing just one guitar and want to stay cheap and spray a finish, why not just use rattle cans?
There's lots of information on spraying guitar finishes for beginners on YouTube, not to mention in threads already here. You'd be good to absorb all that info before spending a penny on a bad decision, like that thing above.
I'll check out spray cans at Stewmac. are there any other places you'd recommend? anywhere better or cheaper?I would not, personally, let the fact that I spent a few bucks on some Stew Mac stains I don't need prevent me from having the finish I want. Don't make a bigger mistake, just because you already made a small one.
Your samples don't look anything like your OP photo, but I'm sure you know that. No extremely dark high contrast to the burst. Just very very subtle changes with heavy bluring and gradual fades between not very different shades.
If you really feel you must use what you already bought, for some reason, dye the whole top yellow and spray your burst over it, around the edges from a rattle can or, if you think you will do more than a few guitars worth of finish work, buy a real compressor and professional spray gear.