Help id'ing this enigma.

stevie777

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
3,379
Reaction score
155
I make no claim as to its authenticity. The seller does though. :dunno:

It's been seriously stripped back of any of it's original finish and identifying marks, inc serial # stamp?.

Has fret nibs, the open book looks a little wonky but could be down to an injury.
The back looks as though it's had some sort of jigsaw design at some point. Maybe?.

The seller has a footnote in his description basically stating he can't answer any questions as he inherited the guitar and is not knowledgeable enough on its backstory. I guess people are asking about cavity routs and pot numbers, pups etc.

I just thought I would post this up to see if some of our most knowledgeable patrons could id this guitar. Gibson or not.

The fact you can't see Made in USA or remnants of any serial # i'm going with Greco eg600 or above given the fact it has fret nibs and it's had some mop inlays done. Might as well do a Gibson logo while you are at it.

i-img1024x767-1623671461vx9bbc335497.jpg
i-img767x1024-1623671461akuttq335497.jpg i-img767x1024-1623671461c7mmpk335497.jpg i-img767x1024-1623671461co4iym335497.jpg i-img767x1024-1623671461hoahw6335497.jpg i-img767x1024-1623671461jxgara335497.jpg i-img767x1024-1623671461zkwkn4335497.jpg i-img1024x767-1623671462l5epjy335497.jpg i-img1198x898-1623671462aqamlo335497.jpg
 

msalama

Senior Member
Joined
May 6, 2021
Messages
153
Reaction score
137
Eh... looks like a mangled Epi Classic Worn to me, but I admittedly do not know excreta. EDIT: excepting the fact that the headstock definitely isn't Epi. What's the asking price BTW?
 

mudface

Boo Bee
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2016
Messages
11,069
Reaction score
33,529
The very first early 1968 Les Paul Gold Tops had the flower pot SG inlay.... P90 pups.... ABR-1... very pronounced dish carve top..... only cavity/pickup routes will determine what it is.....if it has a long tenon and other indicators.....could be a F’d up ‘68.

This is obviously a reroute by the bridge pup being wonky in the pickup ring.

As for the back,... there’s no telling what happened there.....some sort of decal?....or back pad?.... routed out and covered??...DK
 
Last edited:

stevie777

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
3,379
Reaction score
155
Eh... looks like a mangled Epi Classic Worn to me, but I admittedly do not know excreta. EDIT: excepting the fact that the headstock definitely isn't Epi. What's the asking price BTW?
Never seen an Epi with an open book?. unnamed.jpg
 

stevie777

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
3,379
Reaction score
155
The very first early 1968 Les Paul Gold Tops had the flower pot SG inlay.... P90 pups.... ABR-1... very pronounced dish carve top..... only cavity/pickup routes will determine what it is.....if it has a long tenon and other indicators.....could be a F’d up ‘68.

This is obviously a reroute by the bridge pup being wonky in the pickup ring.
Did they have stamped serials and Made in USA?. You could be onto something.
 

mudface

Boo Bee
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2016
Messages
11,069
Reaction score
33,529
Did they have stamped serials and Made in USA?. You could be onto something.
No “made in USA” in 1968,... but the serial was pressed in the wood.
 
Last edited:

msalama

Senior Member
Joined
May 6, 2021
Messages
153
Reaction score
137
Never seen an Epi with an open book?
Oh yeah, those. Not IRL, but I've actually seen photos of them before. Had forgotten though, so thanks for the reminder.
 

stevie777

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
3,379
Reaction score
155
No “made in USA” in 1968,... but the serial was pressed in the wood.
So it could have been routed over to fit that Mop inlay?.

for some reason when I first saw it I was thinking of a gold top, but not a 68 Gibson. More like a Greco Super real gt. As you say,The only way is to have a look in those cavities.
 

mudface

Boo Bee
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2016
Messages
11,069
Reaction score
33,529
So it could have been routed over to fit that Mop inlay?.

for some reason when I first saw it I was thinking of a gold top, but not a 68 Gibson. More like a Greco Super real gt. As you say,The only way is to have a look in those cavities.
Whatever that flower is....abalone and mother of pearl...yeah its a quality inlay.

Maybe to remove the serial as it was stolen.... or of unknown origin. No telling.... but in any case it’s been trashed and would have no value as a ‘68. Unless it was very cheap I would pass.
 

Oranjeaap

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2010
Messages
9,088
Reaction score
5,118
Has some typical made in Japan features. Feels more Tokai than Greco to me
 

strayedstrater

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2014
Messages
286
Reaction score
381
When I see a decorative inlay added right where the serial should be, I jump to the wild conclusion that it was stolen at some point and the serial defaced.

Then a later owner decided it was the perfect piece to learn inlaying skills.
 

stevie777

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
3,379
Reaction score
155
Whatever that flower is....abalone and mother of pearl...yeah its a quality inlay.

Maybe to remove the serial as it was stolen.... or of unknown origin. No telling.... but in any case it’s been trashed and would have no value as a ‘68. Unless it was very cheap I would pass.
How cheap is cheap.
Screenshot_55.png
 

mudface

Boo Bee
Double Platinum Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2016
Messages
11,069
Reaction score
33,529
Under $1k.... if it is a confirmed ‘68 no more than $1300.... it could be restored..... but the costs might exceed what it’s worth..... it’s not like a ‘50s gold top..... and without a hands on appraisal I might be a bit generous with my thought.

I would like to know what’s going on on the backside
F13FB783-DA7B-4B84-A381-9CF6D77B87E1.jpeg
 
Last edited:

stevie777

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
3,379
Reaction score
155
Under $1k.... if it is a confirmed ‘68 no more than $1300.... it could be restored..... but the costs might exceed what it’s worth..... it’s not like a ‘50s gold top..... and without a hands on appraisal I might be a bit generous with my thought.

I would like to know what’s going on on the backside
View attachment 544597
I sent a message asking if the back been routed to relieve some weight or if it's the markings of a decal. tis strange indeed.
If it's been routed and then capped its a seriously tight job. I also asked for cavity shots and weight. I doubt ill get a reply as it's through a proxy seller.
 

Cjsinla

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2014
Messages
4,911
Reaction score
4,464
Pickups look to be a Dimarzio super distortion pup at the neck and some other high output (invader?) at the bridge. Way too many issues. Maybe worth $500 if it’s a Gibson body. I personally wouldn’t touch it. Almost looks like it was routed for a hipshot.
 

moreles

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2011
Messages
4,827
Reaction score
3,641
The flower inlay on the top looks well done; the one where the serial # should be is crap. I have no idea what this guitar was; I find it interesting and appealing for what it is now -- an abused, handed-down artifact. If it plays and sounds good, I would fix the finish as it is -- it's currently got an abominable surface -- with just enough clear-coating to return it to smoothness. I sure wouldn't pay much for it because it's hard to prove what it is, and it's so far gone from originality that what it was has been beaten out of it or even destroyed anyway. It looks like something Keith Richards might have owned back in his wildest days, moddled and decorated by some junkie friend. I usually despise instruments mangled like this, but I think it looks good, really, and could be brought up to a nice level of finish pretty easily. Restoring it to something it used to be, whatever that may have been, is, IMO, a fool's errand.
 

DarrellV

What's up, Doc?
Joined
Oct 31, 2016
Messages
35,644
Reaction score
95,754
I'm thinking that back looks like he had a B-Bender on there at one time but then filled it back in??!!!

1624107213394.png


1624107265491.png


The Flower inlay on the front might be to help cover the hole in the top....

:dunno:
 


Latest Threads



Top