Help a fellow forum member

[SKATTERBRANE]

Someone asked for my help, now I am asking for yours. Here are the only two pictures of a pickup touted as "60's PAF Gibson neck pickup pre PAT sticker"

As you can see it looks pretty convincing. The cover is shaped correctly, the backing screws are of a version that have been found on PAFs and Pat # (although the less common ones) but a few telltale things.

1. The screws were originally gold, but the cover never was.
2. No machine marks on the legs.
3. And MOST importantly the braided lead wire has the aftermarket 3 strands per braid rather than the correct 2 strands per braid.

What say the collective experts on things PAF and PAT # pickups?

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

All the PAF, PAT#, T-Tops and even modern Gibson pickujps like 57 Classics have the 2 strand braid, not the 3 strand braid, that I have ever thought to notice.

 

[ReWind James]

Ask SKATTERBRANE. He'll know.





In these cases, I don't see why people don't just remove the covers. They already have been and could only be soldered on better next time. Your customer, not you. I realize they are not in your possession.

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Not my customer. And the person who paid for these is not at liberty to remove the covers if he intends to return them. If anyone can say they KNOW that some vintage Gibson pickups had 3 strand braided lead wire, then I think it would put the buyer at ease.

I have nothing to do with this transaction, nor do I know the buyer or seller. I am just trying to help a fellow MLPer out.

 

[Fracture]

Waiting for Liam......

 

[SWeAT hOg]

The wire was replaced??

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

The wire was replaced??

That is always possible.

 

[ReWind James]

3 plait or not, that wire is in remarkably good condition for something that's supposed to be so old. I can't believe it wasn't replaced. Have the white fibers inside the black cotton (if there are any) discolored?

However, I'm a freshman in this world. Eager to learn, but humble enough to know that I don't know.

 

[LtKojak]

the person who paid for these is not at liberty to remove the covers if he intends to return them.

Those covers HAVE been out.

The p'up has several physical signs of being tempered with.

I wouldn't touch it with a thirty-foot pole.

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Yes they certainly have been off. But if one is to return something, they are best not to tamper with them further.

 

[pmonk]

That is always possible.

To me, that wire has a new look to it?

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Yep, it is a bit of a Frankenstein. Or is that Fraunkensteen? It may be a diamond in the rough. The lead wire is certainly not original.

 

[LtKojak]

Yep, it is a bit of a Frankenstein.

That's exactly what it is. A p'up made from parts found God knows where and how. I don't believe it's worth much; as the guy that put it together worked really hard to "make it appear as".

Pass. If it was MY customer, I'd tell him to get his money back ASAP.

 

[brokentoeswalker]

Has there been any comminication between the buyer and the seller ??? perhaps the seller knows the history, perhaps not. Its always good to ask.

 

[bill m]

Only true way to know is to pop the cover. It could be as simple as the original lead wire was cut for the bridge position and someone wanted to put it in the neck, so they had a new lead wire put on. On the other hand what bothers me is I see no indication of a water slide. The aging is even across the whole back plate. I know the slides fall off sometimes, but it would have been when the pickup was pretty new, as you usually see where the water slide was as it is usually less aged.

 

[bill m]

Here's a picture of what I mean. This is a very early t-top.

 

[fairlanericky]

Yep, it is a bit of a Frankenstein. Or is that Fraunkensteen? It may be a diamond in the rough. The lead wire is certainly not original.

Froderick, is that you?


Ric

 

[captcoolaid]

That cover looks awfully thick to be a true late PAF. the cover has already been removed. Look at the flux marks and the new solder. The wire is wrong and the plate looks to be un plated not aged. The other that is iffy to me is the lead wire hole it looks to far in and to far up. I am b y no means an expert but I say no freaking way would I touch it, specially if I could not see under the hood as it has already been tampered with.

 

[LtKojak]

Froderick, is that you?


Ric

More like "Frauderick" or "Fraudkenstein".

 

[dmantsio]

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairlanericky

Froderick, is that you?


Ric

More like "Frauderick" or "Fraudkenstein".

i am glad someone is having fan over this really


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