Here we go again "into the black hole of subjectivism". All I know is that Billie Gibons uses a weight relieved LP with 8's and nobody can deny he gets the fattest nastiest tone in R&R.I don't know if i'm crazy or not, but to me heavier guitars sound fuller & thicker. I've owned a small collection of guitars from Schecters, Epiphone, Ibanez, Jackson, Squier, Westone, Hondo and on and on... The guitars that always sounded best to me, because it's what I preferred were the heaviest guitars. They just sound fuller & "richer"...
The lighter & thinner the guitar was physically, the thinner it sounded to me. I know lots of things matter.. your amp, your pickups, scale length, wood, construction etc etc... and there's lots of things you can do to compensate for a thinner sounding guitar, like pickups, EQ settings, but sometimes they aren't enough to match a heavier guitar and you end up with an artificially thicker sound...
All guitars have their use, and none are bad or worse. But just based of what i've heard I feel the heavier the guitar is the fuller/bassier/warmer/ thicker (how ever you want to call it)it sounds.
I think this idea becomes more obvious when people change the weight of their guitar like either through weight relieve or adding more mass like adding a bigger,heavier block to their tremolo...
So anyone agree...or am I crazy?
Sustain owes to resonance. It happens when, mostly by chance, resonant frequencies (actually, frequency ranges) of metal hardware and wood parts happen to overlap with certain overones the guitar string's vibration consist of.Sustain owes to rigidity. If a heavier guitar sustains longer, it's because the extra mass happens to make it more rigid.
And if by "thicker" we mean midrange, hollow and semi hollow body electrics seem to give a lot more midrange, while sold bodies sound more scooped in the mids.
So according to what you are saying, no modern Reissue that I own will sustain or bloom notes like a vintage guitar of the same model? Because if that's what that long, drawn out statement is claiming, that's bullshit. If I misinterpreted your statement, I apologize, but otherwise, see the above "bullshit" meter provided by Pier M.Sustain owes to resonance. It happens when, mostly by chance, resonant frequencies (actually, frequency ranges) of metal hardware and wood parts happen to overlap with certain overones the guitar string's vibration consist of.
You can have exactly the same wood used to make 2 or more guitars of the same model, with exact same dimensions, exact same hardware parts and exact same electric parts. And setup exactly the same to 1/128 of an inch. These guitars can be selected so they have same weight eg no more than 1/2 ounce of difference for lightest and heaviest of several 9 lbs LPs. We all know they will have a difference in tone and sustain.
If we were to measure all the mechanical properties of every mahogany back of the body and every neck and every maple top, prior to using them for building these guitars, they would measure the same, within 1-2% variance. Therefore, the resultant rigidity of all samples would be also the same - within 2-4% variance.
But tone and sustain differs among them. The cause is simple. The wood is a natural material, result of living things growing. It's internal structure is irregular, unlike man made homogenous materials. That variance in structure results in variance of resonant frequencies. Different resonant frequencies result in different level of absorbtion/resonance of various overtones that create guitar tone/timbre, and that also causes different duration of certain overtones, which we call - different sustain. And parts used have same rigidity.
The simplest proof is the way longest sustaining notes change the tone the most, from attack to final decay. The relative level of overtones change. Some overtones do not create resonance and they die faster. Those supported by resonance last longer. Hence, tone changes. It is usually called 'bloom' on stock original LPs. It has nothing to do with pickups. Original PAFs have no bloom on Rx and $10k replicas. Stock originals have bloom with Seth Lovers.
The reason why stock original electric solidbody electric guitars have longer sustain than modern made replicas is different hardness of alloys used for making hardware, back then and now. Original gardware is made of softer alloys. Softer material has lower resonant frequency. Lower resonant frequencies favor lower overtones. Lower overtones carry more energy. Lower overtones are closer to resonant frequency of wood used. More energy and closer frequencies create greater resonance. We detect it as louder acoustic, primary tone of solidbody electric. Greater resonance make string (certain overtones, not all) vibrate longer, so we detect greater sustain.
It is not complicated as it might seem. There are indeed some terms not common in everyday colloquial English, but they all describe some real life phenomena, and are not abstract and hard to comprehend like theories on structure of universe or structure of matter. Ask any physicist(s), using these terms - symphatic vibrations, overlap of resonant frequency ranges, short standing vibrations of particular overtones in resonance range, absorbtion reduced because of resonance resulting with prolonged overall duration of vibration, altering relative level of overtones in resultant tone being different timbre - he/she/them will get interested and listen. And then confirm it is a valid explanation of physical phenomena at hand, consistent with reality perceived.
Beware of oversimplification. Illusion of inclusion is good cause, but an obsolete obstacle in solving problems or finding valid explanations.
Love the Tele clip and your Epi tone.Deliberately designed with a big, heavy, body for the sound or not, I do think they sound much bassier/ fuller than thinner guitars and that could be really helpful for certain styles of music...
They are acoustically more "dead", i've also realized that. I think that's somehow tied into why it sounds so much thicker when plugged in. I like all types of music but I mostly play hard rock & certain styles of metal,for those styles I have found that I like the heavier guitars, although lighter guitars like Ibanez RG's sound good too in their own way. There are so many different styles of metal
It's a hard thing to prove because there are so many things that come into play, that and some people simply aren't very good at noticing differences in tone ...ask someone with a very untrained ear like your wife and they think all guitars sound exactly alike.
I think the best way to prove that more mass does change the sound is to experiment on a single guitar. These videos do show that adding more mass does in some way or another affect the sound. This one here is with a Tele
there's also this guy who loves to experiment, he chops off pieces of the guitar body little by little
and this one here is just me jamming with my Epiphone LP, regardless of the pickup, cheap or expensive it still sounded fat and awesome.