- Feb 20, 2013
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I thought I nailed it. Damnit.
Two guitars with the exact same construction and same pickups with a 4-5 lb. weight difference??? How is THAT possible? Short answer....it’s not.
Just because you have two guitars, say, 2 Gibson 59 Reissues....one weighs 8 lbs., and one 9.3. If you plug them in to the same amp, with the same settings, there WILL be a difference in tone. Not solely because one weighs more than another though. It’s because every guitar sounds different to some degree. It’s the sum of the parts.
You can say what you want about crappy cameras or audio, but I’ll tell you this...what you heard on that crappy camera/audio would only be magnified in person. That guitar is a 2011 R9, and it is a BEAST. Fat, thick tones, excellent clarity....all up and down the neck.
I respect you for taking the challenge, but, it was a fail on your part....not on one guitar, but both.
Of the 100+ Reissues I have owned, most all have sounded great, and most all have sounded different to some degree, but weight and acoustic properties have had little to do with it.
People that make claims like you....many claim they can tell a difference, but blind folded, through an amp with the same settings, no way you identify a tonal difference based on weight on a fair sample size.
No, it doesn't count. YOUR words (not mine) were, "same woods, same construction, pickups", etc.. If one had a much thinner body and neck, then, it's NOT the same construction. End of story on that. Also, the pickups may have been the same brand, but there are sometimes big reading differences in the same brand/type of pickups. Did you measure those? I can make any one of my guitars sound pretty different (brighter, thinner, fatter, take your pick) with different wiring harnesses and pickups with different magnets/readings. Sum of the parts.......That "challenge" was a joke lol. I wasn't taking that seriously at all (like any of this). I like how respectful everyone is on this forum(well mostly everyone) I just wanted to get people's opinions and if anyone agreed. Besides like I said before, i'm not a predictor in precise weights, I just said heavier guitars have certain characteristics lighter guitars don't.. I'm talking guitars with a major weight difference. not guitars that vary 1-2lbs from each other. It seems you're mostly a Les Paul player, can I ask why are you mostly a LP player? Couldn't you technically find the same tonal characteristics in a different/ lighter guitar? You don't mind the weight? Do you want to be like guitar hero's ? is that why you mainly play LP's? Or what's the reason? Truthfully why don't you think they make MORE (keyword) LP's lighter? I know some exist, but why aren't more in the 6lb range? Would it upset the purists who believe an LP should only be heavy?
Like I mentioned before. I had 2 guitars from the same brand, same woods in the body & neck,fretboard, same nut,pickups, same strings,same set neck construction.... they were as close as possible as they could be. 1 was 10lbs, the other was 6lb from having a much thinner body & neck. The tonal difference was massive. They sounded nothing alike. The lighter one was way brighter, unplugged & plugged in it was VERY bright, probably the brightest guitar i've ever owned. the 10lb unplugged was very dull but sounded huge plugged in. So to your comment how " Two guitars with the exact same construction and same pickups with a 4-5 lb. weight difference??? How is THAT possible? Short answer....it’s not." Doesn't this case count? I understand there's lots of variables, but since they were so close in specs you'd think they'd at least sound similar in some way
None taken. It was all I had easy access to for the OP. But are you saying you couldn't hear a difference in those two L.P.'s in the second video? I can. If you are saying you couldn't hear a difference that would allow you to choose between which one is the light, and which the heavy, well, that was my point anyway. As for 1lb. making a HUGE difference....to each their own, but that's pretty crazy. I'm not a big guy....5'8 160 lbs., and we play 3 sets, 4 hours per gig. I've used my 03 Gold Top for gigs at certain venues, and there is AT LEAST 1.3 lbs. difference between that and my 2011. No big deal (and I'm almost 50 yrs. old). If 1 lb. makes THAT big of a difference, invest in a really good comfortable strap. That can easily negate a pound or two difference.No offense Freebyrd but I couldn’t hear shit in those vids that would allow me to make a choice. If you found an 8 pound LP that does it all including that low note compression thing that’s awesome. I hope that happens to me one day. A pound makes a HUGE difference in comfort. I would keep that thing forever.
Well damn!!! Remind me never to piss you off!! LOL.Yeah I just meant there was too much going on to hear clearly. I’m 57 but I’m a big guy. 6’7’ 260 and I’m fine with my 9 pounder and I have the same wide leather strap that I used for years with my 11 pound Norlin. All I’m saying is my buddy has a 2001 R9 that weighs 8 1/4 and it feels like a feather to me after playing mine for awhile. I just don’t like how his sounds. Lighter FEELS better but I’ll have to find a good sounding light one like you did before I compromise.
I'm sure you did, but attributing that difference (or even the majority of it) to weight is crazy.Cant speak for others ,, I noticed it on the difference between a Studio model and my R7 ,,, just sayin .... thats up to you now to decide,,, Amp, Effects, make a factor in that too.