Headstock Defect

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Hi everyone. Just wondering if anyone has come across this before. I recently bought a 2012 Les Paul Traditional from a used Gibson dealer. In all my excitement of buying my first GLP, I didn't notice until for a couple weeks that there's a slight defect in the headstock there are gold patches coming through the black... I really don't know how I missed this, I feel a bit foolish as it's plain to see. I thought maybe it wasn't there when I bought it and had somehow happened since but I had saved some of the pics from the website of the store where I bought it and when I looked back at the pics... There it is.... Anyway it doesn't bother me too much, in fact it's maybe a good thing as it makes the guitar slightly unique and God forbid it was ever stolen, it would actually make it easier to track down ... I'm just wondering if anyone has come across this before... What is it.... is it just a factory error from when it was being sprayed ?.... I'm curious ...

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I presume you are referring to the areas around the tuners? If so, it looks like there is a bit of lacquer delamination, probably from over tightening the tuners.

If it really bothers you, you could have a local tech over-spray the headstock with a wet coat to try to reflow the lacquer. No guarantee it'll work though. If there is any type of contaminate under the original finish it'll just happen again.
 

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I think none2low has it right.

It might pop up on another spot tho so I doubt the work would worthwhile. It might stick out now on a shiny guitar but after many years of playing and some scratches later you wont even notice it I guess.

Some years of the Les Paul Studio model are notorious for their headstock finish flaking off like this:

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I thought they were reflections at first OP and I was super confused as I could see nothing wrong at all :laugh2:
Definitely looks like pressure points separating the clear coat from the headstock
 

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I presume you are referring to the areas around the tuners? If so, it looks like there is a bit of lacquer delamination, probably from over tightening the tuners.

If it really bothers you, you could have a local tech over-spray the headstock with a wet coat to try to reflow the lacquer. No guarantee it'll work though. If there is any type of contaminate under the original finish it'll just happen again.
Yeah that's what I was talking about dude. Thanks for your comment. I don't think it bothers me too much. I'm usually a bit OCD with that kinda stuff, if it was any other guitar it would probably bother me
 

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I thought they were reflections at first OP and I was super confused as I could see nothing wrong at all :laugh2:
Definitely looks like pressure points separating the clear coat from the headstock
I thought they were reflections at first OP and I was super confused as I could see nothing wrong at all :laugh2:
Definitely looks like pressure points separating the clear coat from the headstock
I'm not the only one who missed it so
 

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I think none2low has it right.

It might pop up on another spot tho so I doubt the work would worthwhile. It might stick out now on a shiny guitar but after many years of playing and some scratches later you wont even notice it I guess.

Some years of the Les Paul Studio model are notorious for their headstock finish flaking off like this:

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Glad to hear it's a common thing! Your worn headstock looks class
 

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The other headstocks shown suffer from an adhesion/incompatibility issue between the base and the nitro. It was for a short period in time that these exist, and it is very common but only in that era guitar. Its merely a matter of time until the phenomenon spreads for those instruments.
Yours is local crush damage from a mechanical action. You can simply take the tuners out and wick a little very thin CA glue (or some very thinned nitro clear) under the lifted sections to readhere that area. Which most probably will completely eliminate the look.
 

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My 2011 Traditional did that under each of the E tuners but nowhere else.

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I actually think it’s caused by the tuners being loose. String tension will pull on the tuning peg, which can move a little if the nut isn’t tight, and push and lift the nitro in front of it. That’s why it’s always on the nut side of the tuner.

Of course I’m no expert here. Just throwing out ideas.

I always check the nuts on the headstock for tightness at every string change. I’ve often found the
 

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Wow.

Does anyone have pics of this happening on a vintage Gib, say 1955 to 1969?
 

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Wow.

Does anyone have pics of this happening on a vintage Gib, say 1955 to 1969?
You know I have never seen it happen to a brand new instrument.... usually on a guitar that suffered some kind of abuse over time.... and usually around the Gibson mop inlay.

Mine was brand new within a week of owning it these tiny half moon blisters showed up under the E tuners..... there were no adverse temp changes.... nothing. I took an xacto knife and trimmed them off before they got bigger... that was it. No other issue.

Everything was nice and tight.... and not over tight.

That Traditional is now 10 years old.
 

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Ay-yi-yi.. I hope it never happens to one of my builds.
 

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^ The vintage ones all have press in bushing tuners.
The ones I always see this lifting damage on are the ones with grover tuners (or similar), where you can get some serious torque behind the tightening nut on the face.
 

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You know I have never seen it happen to a brand new instrument.... usually on a guitar that suffered some kind of abuse over time.... and usually around the Gibson mop inlay.

Mine was brand new within a week of owning it these tiny half moon blisters showed up under the E tuners..... there were no adverse temp changes.... nothing. I took an xacto knife and trimmed them off before they got bigger... that was it. No other issue.

Everything was nice and tight.... and not over tight.

That Traditional is now 10 years old.
Would love to see a pic of your headstock after cutting out the blisters ...
 

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Would love to see a pic of your headstock after cutting out the blisters ...

That is a pic after i cut them out.... you can almost make out my angled cut as I hesitated under the low E tuner.

The high E tuner i did it in one sweeping cut.
 

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