Greco U2000 vs PU 0 - stop me if it's been asked before ...

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Dear Greco-isti

Is a PU 0 considered any more "desirable" than a U2000 pickup, or merely "different"? In what way "different"?

If one had the option to put one of each into a 1978 EG700, then which one is best in the bridge position?

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I’d go for the PU-0 based on the set I had. It is hard to compare pickups in different guitars but I have found the U-2000 to be a bit too bright. There is of course is a simple solution called the tone knob for that though. My suspicion is that a PU-0 is like a PU-2 but with the additional row of adjustable pole pieces.
 

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I agree with Wulf….. now when you jump to the U-3000 and U-4000 it’s a game changer,
 

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I’d go for the PU-0 based on the set I had. It is hard to compare pickups in different guitars but I have found the U-2000 to be a bit too bright. There is of course is a simple solution called the tone knob for that though. My suspicion is that a PU-0 is like a PU-2 but with the additional row of adjustable pole pieces.
Thanks - loving your blog, BTW.
 

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It’s because the UD, U1000(same as EVH used in the 70s, also known as the Super 70)
have ceramic mags. The U2000 is an Alnico 5. The U3000 alnico 8! All of them are great but the main improvement is alnico vs. ceramic in the U2000 up to the Dry Zs.
 

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Older U-1000s had Alnico 8 as well up to a certain point (1978-9?). Similar to Super70 Ibanez pickups.
 

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Interesting. Well it was 79 when Greco switched from U1000 to UDs in the EG lower models like the 450. So maybe a magnet swap on the U1000 occured then too? I own a 77 Greco EG 450 with U1000 pups and they are high output similar to Super Ds. An alnico 8 makes sense. Also I can see why EVH loved the bridge particularly.
 

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I think it was sometime around then. I know I had ceramic mags in the pickups in EG-500s I’ve had from 1980 which had U-1000s.
 

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I haven’t pop mine open to look. On a 44 year old guitar I let things be unless a problem arises. None with this one so far. I think we’re correct about the U1000.
This is great information.
 

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There's a gentleman here who has written (in Japanese) everything you might want to know about Greco pickup anatomy but were afraid to ask. Wulfman, this won't be news to you, I'm guessing.

 

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There's a gentleman here who has written (in Japanese) everything you might want to know about Greco pickup anatomy but were afraid to ask. Wulfman, this won't be news to you, I'm guessing.

Here's the relevant section, translated by Mr & Mrs Google ...

<Made in 1978 # 281116> Ceramic magnet
Only half a month after the previous sample, the U-1000 had a surprising specification change.
Probably due to the difficulty in obtaining alnico magnets, it is the adoption of ceramic magnets.
This specification change was not announced at all and was not expressed in the text after the change.
* It was also confirmed in PU-2 at the same time, and it reached the majority of Greco humbuckers.
① Originally covered, but the cover has not been lost. Above is # 181027.
(2) The date of manufacture by date stamp can be confirmed as Thursday, November 16, 1978.
③ A thick ceramic magnet is used instead of the conventional alnico magnet.
You can see that the dimensions of the spacer have been changed accordingly.
The pole piece uses the same standard as the solid slug.
④ Compared to # 181027 mentioned above, the thickness is about 3mm thicker.
 

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I did a little digging and one guy was talking about his S70(same as the U1000)
“It’s a Maxon (Ibanez) Super 70. It’s Alnico 8 and 7.8k. Low output.”
I can see why I thought my pups sounded like ceramics but smoother. Huh.
The U2000,getting back on track, are going to be powerful in the bridge. Alnico 5 are great rock mags.
 

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The U2000,getting back on track, are going to be powerful in the bridge. Alnico 5 are great rock mags.
What do you think about putting a U2000 in the bridge and a Dimarzio PAF in the neck?
 

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Again, stop me if you already seen these: for a comparison of the alnico U1000 and ceramic Screamin' 82 "entry-level" Greco pickups, there is a "tone library" of MIJ humbuckers being established in the youtube channel of Guitar Street.

He's done two episodes so far:

U1000:

Screamin' 82:
 

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What do you think about putting a U2000 in the bridge and a Dimarzio PAF in the neck?
I think any Dimarzio alnico 2 PAF would match up nicely.You may want to consider the BB2 as well.
 
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Again, stop me if you already seen these: for a comparison of the alnico U1000 and ceramic Screamin' 82 "entry-level" Greco pickups, there is a "tone library" of MIJ humbuckers being established in the youtube channel of Guitar Street.

He's done two episodes so far:

U1000:

Screamin' 82:
I had not. Good stuff. I just did an intro video for the Greco vs the Epi 59 test. Part one featured the Greco and its U1000 pups.
 

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I had not. Good stuff. I just did an intro video for the Greco vs the Epi 59 test. Part one featured the Greco and its U1000 pups.
He is under the impression that the U1000s in his test have ceramic pickups. Their number code checks out as being September 1978, so they would almost certainly be alnico 8s.
 

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U1000 / S70
These pickups have more tops and bottoms and more output. Designed to emulate the hotter sounds of things like Dimarzios and such which were the big thing in the 70's. Somehow, they managed to retain clarity in a hotter pickup. This makes the pickup sound great clean and when driving a cranked Marshall. The Dimarzios only sound good when distortion is required.

From an early 70's Ibanez advertisement: Designed for increased output, more brilliance, less distortion, and added presence. It's and improvement you can hear.
 

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U1000 / S70
These pickups have more tops and bottoms and more output. Designed to emulate the hotter sounds of things like Dimarzios and such which were the big thing in the 70's. Somehow, they managed to retain clarity in a hotter pickup. This makes the pickup sound great clean and when driving a cranked Marshall. The Dimarzios only sound good when distortion is required.

From an early 70's Ibanez advertisement: Designed for increased output, more brilliance, less distortion, and added presence. It's and improvement you can hear.
Interesting. It begs the question of why did Greco choose Dimarzio PAFs for the higher end EG(900?) while the affordable-to-college-kids models got U1000s?
 

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