Gibson Loses Its Firebird Guitar Body Shape Trademark in The EU

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Uncle Matt combined both the Explorer and Firebird 40 years ago and I like their take on it mo betta anyway.
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Bonehead's with beancounter brains are effing over the Gibson Brand. They need to be smacked. A "V" is a "V." An LP is an LP. If you want a Les Paul, buy one. If you want cheap, buy a poser. Nothin' wrong with making that choice either way. Everyone knows what you bought - if you are ok with posering, it doesn't matter what they think anyway.
 

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Bonehead's with beancounter brains are effing over the Gibson Brand. They need to be smacked. A "V" is a "V." An LP is an LP. If you want a Les Paul, buy one. If you want cheap, buy a poser. Nothin' wrong with making that choice either way. Everyone knows what you bought - if you are ok with posering, it doesn't matter what they think anyway.
I see you are new to MLPF................welcome aboard mate. Hope you have many years of enjoyable mayhem. ;) :)

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I like all the quoting from the USPTO...

I'm sure the EU courts go to the same website. :laugh2:
 

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Wow.

Yeah, Europe only has massive companies like Shell, Volkswagen AG, Nestle, HSBC, Anheuser-Busch, Unilever, BP, Mercedes-Benz, BMW ...

I'll leave it at that because I struggle to maintain civility with the willfully ignorant...
RankCompanyIndustryRevenue (USD Millions of Dollars)Headquarters
1Royal Dutch ShellOil and gas484,489
Netherlands and
United Kingdom
2BPOil and gas396,183
United Kingdom
3TotalOil and gas231,580
France
4VolkswagenAutomotive221,550
Germany
5Glencore XstrataConglomerate220,030
United Kingdom and
Switzerland
6GazpromOil and gas157,830
Russia
7E.ONElectric utility157,057
Germany
8EniOil and gas153,676
Italy
9INGFinancial services150,571
Netherlands
10DaimlerAutomotive148,139
Germany
11AXAFinancial services142,712
France
12ExorInvestment136,360
Italy and
Netherlands
13AllianzFinancial services134,167
Germany
14BNP ParibasFinancial services127,460
France
15EngieElectric utility126,076
France
16CarrefourRetail121,734
France
17EquinorOil and gas119,561
Norway
18Banco SantanderFinancial services117,408
Spain
19FCA GroupAutomotive116,000
Italy
19SiemensConglomerate113,349
Germany
20Assicurazioni GeneraliFinancial services112,628
Italy
21LukoilOil and gas111,433
Russia
22EnelElectric utility110,560
Italy
23HSBCFinancial services110,141
United Kingdom
24Crédit AgricoleFinancial services105,156
France
25TescoRetail103,839
United Kingdom
26BASFChemicals102,194
Germany
27Société GénéraleFinancial services98,463
France
28BMWAutomotive95,692
Germany
29ArcelorMittalSteel94,444
Luxembourg
30NestléConsumer goods94,405
Switzerland
31MetroRetail92,746
Germany
32Électricité de FranceElectric utility90,806
France
33Munich ReFinancial services90,137
Germany
34TelefónicaTelecommunications87,372
Spain
35BoschConglomerate85,400
Germany
36Groupe PSAAutomotive83,305
France
37Deutsche TelekomTelecommunications81,554
Germany
38RepsolOil and gas81,122
Spain
39Deutsche PostPostal services76,307
Germany
40Groupe BPCEFinancial services75,082
France
41Deutsche BankFinancial services74,425
Germany
42VodafoneTelecommunications74,051
United Kingdom
43BarclaysFinancial services68,949
United Kingdom
44ThyssenKruppConglomerate68,791
Germany
45RWEElectric utility68,345
Germany
46Airbus SEAeronautics and defence68,310
Netherlands
47Landesbank Baden-WürttembergFinancial services67,431
Germany
48Lloyds Banking GroupFinancial services67,048
United Kingdom
49RosneftOil and gas65,093
Russia
50UnileverConsumer goods64,610
Netherlands and
United Kingdom
51OrangeTelecommunications62,955
France
52The Royal Bank of Scotland GroupFinancial services62,798
United Kingdom
53Ahold DelhaizeRetail62,300
Netherlands
54AvivaFinancial services61,754
United Kingdom
55AuchanRetail61,699
France
56Rio Tinto GroupMining60,537
United Kingdom
57MaerskConglomerate60,194
Denmark
58NovartisPharmaceuticals59,375
Switzerland
59RenaultAutomotive59,272
France
60Saint-GobainBuilding materials58,560
France
61PrudentialFinancial services58,527
United Kingdom
62UniCreditFinancial services57,213
Italy
63NokiaElectronics53,753
Finland
64Zurich Insurance GroupFinancial services52,983
Switzerland
65Deutsche BahnTransport52,808
Germany
66CNP AssurancesFinancial services51,521
France
67VinciConstruction51,385
France
68LyondellBasellChemicals51,035
Netherlands
69Banco Bilbao Vizcaya ArgentariaFinancial services51,021
Spain
70BayerPharmaceuticals50,790
Germany
71SSEElectric utility50,610
United Kingdom
72Hoffmann-La RochePharmaceuticals49,714
Switzerland
73Intesa SanpaoloFinancial services49,472
Italy
74Groupe CasinoRetail48,748
France
75SanofiPharmaceuticals48,746
France
76Veolia EnvironnementEnvironmental services48,486
France
77Credit SuisseFinancial services48,227
Switzerland
78VolvoHeavy equipment47,814
Sweden
79OMVOil and gas47,349
Austria
80UBSFinancial services45,978
Switzerland
81BouyguesConglomerate45,669
France
82SNCFTransport45,587
France
83Koç HoldingConglomerate45,098
Turkey
84AegonFinancial services44,197
Netherlands
85IberdrolaElectric utility44,005
Spain
86GlaxoSmithKlinePharmaceuticals43,907
United Kingdom
87Grupo ACSEngineering42,655
Spain
88ContinentalAuto and truck parts42,416
Germany
89Telecom ItaliaTelecommunications42,070
Italy
90LufthansaAviation41,220
Germany
91VivendiMass media40,063
France
92Anheuser-Busch InBevBeverages39,046
Belgium
93Franz Haniel & Cie.Conglomerate38,023
Germany
94ABBElectrical equipment37,990
Switzerland
95Alliance BootsPharmaceuticals37,977
Switzerland
96Rabobank GroupFinancial services37,577
Netherlands
97CentricaElectric utility36,860
United Kingdom
98HeraeusEngineering36,406
Germany
99PKN OrlenOil and gas36,100
Poland
100Sainsbury'sRetail35,567
United Kingdom
101SberbankFinancial services35,502
Russia
102PhilipsElectronics35,152
Netherlands
103EricssonElectronics34,958
Sweden
104SistemaConglomerate34,517
Russia
105La PostePostal services34,268
France
106Christian DiorLuxury goods34,244
France
107Air France-KLMAviation34,001
France
108AstraZenecaPharmaceuticals33,591
United Kingdom
109DZ BankFinancial services33,279
Germany
110IneosChemicals33,160
United Kingdom
111EdekaRetail32,531
Germany
112Schneider ElectricElectrical equipment31,128
France
113BT GroupTelecommunications30,734
United Kingdom
114Anglo AmericanMining30,580
United Kingdom
115Poste italianePostal services30,164
Italy
116Phoenix PharmahandelPharmaceuticals30,023
Germany
117CoopRetail30,022
Switzerland
118Legal & GeneralFinancial services29,366
United Kingdom
119GasTerraOil and gas29,332
Netherlands
120Gas NaturalOil and gas29,305
Spain
122MapfreFinancial services29,224
Spain
123MichelinAuto and truck parts28,809
France
124BAE SystemsAeronautics and defence28,624
United Kingdom
125AdeccoConsulting28,567
Switzerland
126DexiaFinancial services28,540
Belgium
127L'OréalCosmetics28,286
France
128MorrisonsRetail28,276
United Kingdom
129Swiss ReFinancial services28,083
Switzerland
130MigrosRetail28,015
Switzerland
131VattenfallElectric utility27,890
Sweden
132AlstomConglomerate27,417
France
133AccentureConsulting27,353
Ireland
134Groupe DanoneConsumer goods26,861
France
135MOL GroupOil and gas26,698
Hungary
136EnBWElectric utility26,126
Germany
137KBC BankFinancial services26,057
Belgium
138SurgutneftegasOil and gas25,663
Russia
139Compass GroupFood services25,418
United Kingdom
140CRHBuilding Materials25,141
Ireland
141Leonardo-FinmeccanicaAeronautics and defence24,849
Italy
142UnipolFinancial Services24,850
Italy
143British American TobaccoTobacco24,688
United Kingdom
144Standard CharteredFinancial services24,488
United Kingdom
145Imperial TobaccoTobacco24,379
United Kingdom
146TUI TravelTransport24,356
United Kingdom
147Marquard & BahlsOil and gas24,258
Germany
148SHV HoldingsTrading24,141
Netherlands
149HeinekenBeverages23,898
Netherlands
150HolcimBuilding materials23,378
Switzerland
151NordeaFinancial services23,258
Finland
152FreseniusMedical equipment22,973
Germany
153LafargeBuilding materials22,970
France
154Randstad HoldingConsulting22,560
Netherlands
155KfWFinancial services22,496
Germany
156BertelsmannMass media22,427
Germany
157International Airlines Group Aviation22,390
United Kingdom and
Spain
158SodexoFood services22,262
France
159National GridElectric utility22,067
United Kingdom
 

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While I don't really agree with oicu here, his point was not that Europe doesn't have large companies- of course they do - but that it doesn't have innovative companies. I think he's wrong there, but his assertion isn't refuted simply by posting a list of great big Euro-concerns.
 

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I don't care who makes it, just sort out the neck dive!
 

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interesting....
 

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I don't care who makes it, just sort out the neck dive!
Strangly enough, the original 1961 Gibson LP SG Standard DID have the neck dive sorted out. They put a heavy and worthless side pull trem on the back of the body. While it solved neck dive, it never came back in tune and it sucked tone. I know, because I have one -- but there is no neck dive!
 

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Strangly enough, the original 1961 Gibson LP SG Standard DID have the neck dive sorted out. They put a heavy and worthless side pull trem on the back of the body. While it solved neck dive, it never came back in tune and it sucked tone. I know, because I have one -- but there is no neck dive!

Swap in a Bigsby- just as heavy, stays in tune.
 

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While I don't really agree with oicu here, his point was not that Europe doesn't have large companies- of course they do - but that it doesn't have innovative companies. I think he's wrong there, but his assertion isn't refuted simply by posting a list of great big Euro-concerns.
OK let's talk innovation then...
Despite Germany's economy growing at its slowest pace since 2006, the country's innovation remains strong.

Germany has broken South Korea's six-year reign as the "the most innovative nation in the world," according to the latest Bloomberg Innovation Index. The US ranked ninth, while China came in 15th.
A total of 60 nations are included in the index, which is compiled using criteria including research and development spending, manufacturing capability, and concentration of high-tech public companies.
Innovation was a hot topic this week at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, as the political, academic, and business elite discussed technological solutions to the current climate crisis.
Germany secured first place because of its positive ratings in patent activity, high-tech density, and value-added manufacturing. South Korea, on the other hand, recorded a slump in productivity, pushing it down to second place.

The result is somewhat surprising, as Germany's economy has been struggling. In 2019, it grew at its slowest pace in six years due to trade conflicts, a crisis in the automotive industry, and Brexit.
Meanwhile, Singapore rose from sixth place to third overall, and three Nordic countries made it into the top 10.
Japan's innovation ranking dropped by three spots since last year (it is now in 12th place), and the US, which held first place when the Bloomberg Index first debuted in 2013, is now only the ninth most innovative country in the world. The second-largest economy, China, rose one spot to 15th.
Here are the top 10 most innovative countries 2020, according to the latest Bloomberg Index.



10. France
The French economy is the third largest in the EU after Germany and the UK.
France is one of the few countries on this list that didn't change its ranking.
It was marked well for investment in corporate research and development and its telecommunications infrastructure, but its education system didn't stack up to the competition.
Source: Bloomberg

9. United State
The US once held the top position in the Innovation Index.
When Bloomberg's index first debuted in 2013, the US took the top spot. Since then it has dropped considerably in the rankings, but it can at least claim world-beating performances in two categories: high-tech density and patent activity.
Half of the exchange-traded companies with the highest research and development expenditures in their most recent fiscal years were American-led, including Amazon and Microsoft.
Source: Bloomberg

8. Denmark
Denmark has a modern market economy.
Denmark is one of three Nordic countries in the top 10 of Bloomberg's innovation index.
It consistently ranks high in the Global Innovation Index too, which found that the nation has made huge steps in human capital and research, infrastructure, and business sophistication.
Source: Bloomberg

7. Finland
Finland's largest industries are electronics and machinery.
Finland has dropped from third place last year to seventh place in 2020.
While it is one of the steadiest performers of the index and scores good points in all categories, it never reaches the top three in any.
Source: Bloomberg

6. Israel
Israel boasts a technologically advanced free-market economy.
Israel slipped by one ranking from last year.
While it lagged behind in measures of manufacturing, productivity, and efficiency, it still placed first in R&D intensity.
Source: Bloomberg


5. Sweden
Sweden's gross domestic product (GDP) per capita is among the highest in the EU
Sweden, the runner-up in 2018, fell to seventh place.
It scores consistently well in the manufacturing category, and has seen improvement in its technology sector with Spotify taking on the biggest of the US tech giants.
Source: Bloomberg


4. Switzerland
Switzerland is one of the world's most advanced free-market economies.
Switzerland consistently finds itself in the top 20 most innovative countries in the world. It is always one of the top contenders in the Global Innovation Index too.
Home to pharmaceutical giants Novartis and Hoffmann-La Roche, it is not surprising that the country has a high ranking for value-added manufacturing.
Source: Bloomberg

3. Singapore
Singapore's economy is ranked as one of the most open in the world.
Singapore has seen considerable gains, rising from sixth place last year to third place in 2020. Its ascent was aided by improvements in productivity and value-added manufacturing.
Source: Bloomberg


2. South Korea
South Korea is the fourth largest economy in Asia.
South Korea only missed out on first place by a very small margin. The country relies heavily on its tech-oriented companies such as Samsung Electronics, Hyundai Motors, and LG Electronics.
"We don't have any other natural resources — we only have our brains to turn to," Chang Suk-Gown, a business management professor at Seoul's Hanyang University, told Bloomberg.
"The expression that's often bandied about in South Korea is the 'super gap.' It's about widening whatever lead South Korea has — or else China will catch up."
Source: Bloomberg

1. Germany
Germany has the largest national economy in Europe.
Mechanical engineering and automotive industries, in particular, are responsible for a large part of Germany's success in this year's ranking, the chief economist at Hamburg Commercial Bank, Cyrus de la Rubia, told Business Insider.
But while the country has scored high in many categories, de la Rubia sees room for improvement. "As positive as the ranking may sound, we cannot ignore the fact that Germany is far behind other countries in terms of education," said de la Rubia. "Education is the cornerstone for future top positions — both in early childhood and in the university sector."
In addition to the automotive industry, de la Rubia emphasizes the importance of mechanical engineering in Germany. "The mechanical engineering sector is home to numerous companies that are leading this field — especially in medical technology and optical devices. The products of these companies are often unique selling points and difficult to copy," he said.
Source: Bloomberg
 


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