Gibson Les Paul Traditional 2018 Accidental AAA Flame Top

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Was the same price as a lesser flamed Les Paul traditional.
 

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mudface

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That is not a AAA flame amigo. Barely a AA.

AAA would flames that span the entire width of the body at any angle.... not as thick as a AAAA,... but very visible.
 

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Nice guitar!

Not sure if that is AAA flame, though. Typically it's got to run edge-to-edge. Nice belly flame, though.
 

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Who cares what "grade"... that looks exellent!!!!!

Congrats on the Rad Trad....
 

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That's a great looking top. I wouldn't consider it AAA either but with a top like that, it doesn't matter. Nice find
 

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It's definitely a beautiful LP, but that's not a AAA to my eye. As @mudface said, that barely makes it into AA territory (IMO, and grading maple is all subjective).
 

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Both guitars are clearly the same grade. What that grade may be, I leave to others, since grading is generally unreliable anyway, except at the extremes. Honestly, I like them both a lot, and both are consistent with true 58-60 bursts. It is utterly common for figure to change as the wood is carved deeply -- you can't tell what you'll find 3/4 in. into the maple -- and "the Beauty of the Burst" is full of gorgeous guitars that don't have the ridiculous OCD/extreme figure veneering now common on cheap Epiphones, etc. It is easy and cheap to match paper-thin veneers, thick carved maple... not so much. For me, the quest for garish flame is superficial, non-musical, and (just IMO) sort of obnoxious. And caring about the difference between on letter in grading is, at least to me, a true "so what?" matter.
 

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Very Nice, and congrats!

But... Yours is a AA and similar to this LP Peace I had which was a AA top.
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Congrats on your NGD! Fantastic lookin Trad!!
 

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... both are consistent with true 58-60 bursts. It is utterly common for figure to change as the wood is carved deeply -- you can't tell what you'll find 3/4 in. into the maple -- and "the Beauty of the Burst" is full of gorgeous guitars that don't have the ridiculous OCD/extreme figure veneering now common on cheap Epiphones, etc. It is easy and cheap to match paper-thin veneers, thick carved maple... not so much. For me, the quest for garish flame is superficial, non-musical, and (just IMO) sort of obnoxious.
This is one of the biggest misconceptions about vintage Bursts.

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And on and on and on and on...

Go to burstserial.com and scroll through the images. There are many, many highly-flamed vintage Bursts.
 
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This is one of the biggest misconceptions about vintage Bursts.

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And on and on and on and on...

Go to burstserial.com and scroll through the images. There are literally hundreds of highly flamed vintage Bursts.

I've seen highly flamed, not so highly flamed and down right plain tops.

I think a lot of people see "less flame" because old nitro can sometimes go "dull" with age/use etc compared to new nitro... For example, Bernie Marsden's "The Beast", it has tons of flame, but a dull/used finish so doesn't "pop" out at you like a modern LP with shiny nitro, for example a Root Beer Burst LP.
 

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The burst the OP posted is very nice, I'm totally digging it! More photos please?


-- and "the Beauty of the Burst" is full of gorgeous guitars that don't have the ridiculous OCD/extreme figure veneering now common on cheap Epiphones, etc. It is easy and cheap to match paper-thin veneers, thick carved maple... not so much.

Epiphone Les Paul's since they started making them had gotten veneers with extreme figuring, they started up with more movement and less linear flame. After the first years they decided to pick more and more linear stock to make the veneers from and the look got very sterile imo. Heres a '92 Standard MiK with a decent example of what they transitioned towards. The veneers are incredibly easy to match versus thick maple caps because the growth and grain patterns are much closer sliced like bacon rather than ham.

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Not sure about AAA but I'm sure it's a beauty. Congrats!
 

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I agree with the masses here on the OP guitar. But I also don't understand the lines that get drawn with the grading. And what Gibson shows about the grades does nothing to clear it up for me. Not that important to me anyway. Nice, but not something that commands my attention like it does to Gibson and the literal value they put on it. Sure it is harder to get a cap with nice flame than it is a veneer. But both are wood and both look the same. So hard for me to put much of a premium value on a cap. And some plain tops look much better to me than some flames.

Also when it comes to flames and ratings, I've seen a wide range of flames within one class of flames.
Here is a single A flame top Gibson I have, much better flamed that others I've seen of the same model/year:

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Here's another one, this is supposed to be A+. Far better than most others I've seen of the same model/year

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I agree with the masses here on the OP guitar. But I also don't understand the lines that get drawn with the grading. And what Gibson shows about the grades does nothing to clear it up for me. Not that important to me anyway. Nice, but not something that commands my attention like it does to Gibson and the literal value they put on it. Sure it is harder to get a cap with nice flame than it is a veneer. But both are wood and both look the same. So hard for me to put much of a premium value on a cap. And some plain tops look much better to me than some flames.

Also when it comes to flames and ratings, I've seen a wide range of flames within one class of flames.
Here is a single A flame top Gibson I have, much better flamed that others I've seen of the same model/year:

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Here's another one, this is supposed to be A+. Far better than most others I've seen of the same model/year

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That blue LP is a 2015,.... i have always felt that in 2015 Gibson put out some very nice tops and extremely well made instruments,.... i have seen and played a great number of them. The wide fretboard was more of an issue to me than all the other features. I sure as hell wanted to buy a couple.
 

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Yep, Especially when you order from Guitar Center. Gibson LP's purchased from Guitar Center are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get.

I ordered this Gibson Custom Les Paul Custom Figured Top Widow sight unseen and they don't specify a rating for the top. I was very pleased when I first opened it up at Guitar Center, it was definitely not going back after seeing it and playing it.
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