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Hello, I'm curious to know the original cost of a 1974 Les Paul Custom?
I'm not sure.. but I do remember my first new Les Paul. A 1975 Les Paul Deluxe at $400. The Standards were $475. (too much for my Mother). I would guess a 74 Custom, in the $550 range?
 

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Yesterday I took all my LPs ( and a LP Standard that belongs to a friend of mine ) to X-ray machine. I have a 1992 Gibson LPC '57 PRE-Historic reissue and I have to disagree with icsm:

great thread! thanks. Would be great to get some info on pre-historics...

Pretty sure pre-historics all had:
solid body
( http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/930601-post47.html )


Here's some pictures of my Pre-Historic RI:



Serial nr Y xxxx:


ABR-1 bridge:


Pots dates on 1991:


...and on 1992:




1992 PRE-Historic body:



Heavy as hell LPC:



LP Standard of a friend of mine:


And as a bonus my two H-150s:







Greetings from Poland, [mod edit: link removed]

 

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Owners of LPCs produced until March 23rd, 1983 - you can rest assured. Your Customs are Solid Body.


1983 Gibson LP Custom Silver Burst:




Back of the headstock with serial number:





Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
March 23rd, 1983
Production Number: 88
http://www.guitardaterproject.org/gibson.aspx




Today, on the X-Ray table:




And the result:






I wonder if the Weight Relief was introduced at the same time for all models of the LP?

If so, it is interesting when exactly?
 

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Inside Guy posted this in another thread and I thought it was worth adding here, a very usefull (and probably unknown) info:

On the pre 2006 Standards you could chose either a 50s or 60s neck.

"Gibson put stickers on the truss rod cover to indicate which neck. Since the stickers are long gone...you can tell which neck you have (if you cant tell my holding it) by the color of the truss rod nut. Silver is a 60's neck and Brass is a 50's neck. This was a way to communicate to the neck shapers in porduction which shape to make the neck."
 

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Hi,

I have just a little question. I just bought a 1991 Les Paul Standard.
I know that she can't be a solid body, but the seller insisted on the fact that she was solid. He's a well-informed person, but on this point I was a bit sceptical.

Are there any chance, that some '91 Standard could be solid? I'm sure that she can't, but he told me with insistance that she was, so I just want your advice as a "proof".
Thanks
 

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Is it necessary to have a humidifier in the case? Live in AZ.
 

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can I assume that the 1989 lp custom that is on its way to me will have ALL mahogany body and neck and 9 holes under the skin?

and Bill Lawrence pu's with circuit board on back?

thx
 

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Inside Guy posted this in another thread and I thought it was worth adding here, a very usefull (and probably unknown) info:

On the pre 2006 Standards you could chose either a 50s or 60s neck.

"Gibson put stickers on the truss rod cover to indicate which neck. Since the stickers are long gone...you can tell which neck you have (if you cant tell my holding it) by the color of the truss rod nut. Silver is a 60's neck and Brass is a 50's neck. This was a way to communicate to the neck shapers in porduction which shape to make the neck."
Interesting about the TR nut thanks.
Re: 2006 - I know the Standard spec was changed in 2008. So what was the one size neck from 2006 to 2008? I think it went to an asymmetric profile with the new 2008 model.
Cheers
 

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I have confirmation from Gibson CS that my 2006 USA LP Standard in Ebony finish is indeed chambered. It is ser# 035560335‏ for those that are interested in these things.

Thanks for this thread. Lots of good info!
 

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Rather than keep sending people to Gibson Forums, I figured I'd post this here. Maybe with some luck, this will become a sticky.
This post mainly applies to newer Les Pauls. Nowadays, there are two types of Les Pauls - Gibson USA and Gibson Custom Shop.

Gibson USA

Weight-relief started around 1982/1983. Every Gibson USA Les Paul between 1982 - 2007 is weight-relieved. They do not have solid-body construction. Weight-relief is also known as "swiss cheese holes" and refers to the nine holes drilled out of the body in order to reduce the weight of the guitar.

Chambering officially began for 2007 but the late 2006s are also chambered. Any Les Paul made after October 2006 maybe or likely is chambered. Every 2007 and newer Gibson USA Les Paul is chambered, except for the Les Paul Traditional. The Les Paul Traditional has swiss cheese holes. Chambering is essentially hollowing out the body. Again, this is in order to reduce the weight of the guitar.

Gibson Custom Shop
Gibson's Custom Shop makes regular production guitars and historic reissues. The regular production guitars, such as the Les Paul Custom, are also weight-relieved. They do not have solid-bodies.

The historic reissues are solid. All historic reissues, be it Standards or Customs, are solid. The exception being the chambered reissues. Chambered reissues are often referred to as Cloud 9 guitars. They are identified by their serial number, which begins with CR. chambered-reissue.org

So,

A 2003 Les Paul Classic is weight-relieved
A 2008 '57 reissue is solid
A 1995 Les Paul Standard is weight-relieved
A 2009 Chambered '58 reissue is chambered
A 2008 Les Paul Studio is chambered
A 1987 Les Paul Custom is weight-relieved
etc.

If you put on your x-ray goggles, this is what a chambered Les Paul would look like:


This is what a weight-relieved Les Paul would look like:



Neck tenons


Some Les Pauls have long neck tenon, while others do not.

Short: Standards (before the 2008 "new" Standard), Customs, Studios Classics.
Long: Historic reissues, 2008 Standards.

Norlin
Gibson guitars made between 1968 - 1986. Great info right here. http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/norlin-years/38456-faq-norlin-history.html
Any Norlin related items/questions should be posted here. Norlin Years - My Les Paul Forums

Historic Reissues
R2 = reissue of the 1952 Gibson Les Paul
R9 = reissue of the 1959 Gibson Les Paul
CR8 = chambered reissue of the '58 Gibson Les Paul
There is no R3 or R5.

Historic Customs are often referred to as B4, B7, R4BB or R7BB. BB meaning Black Beauty.

Gibson's VOS - Vintage Original Spec line. The terms VOS, historic, reissue & historic reissue all refer to the same guitar. There is only one difference, VOS refers to the aged finish on the top and hardware. The ones that do not have the VOS finish are referred to as "gloss" or "high gloss" reissues because (obviously) they have a high gloss finish. Websites like Guitar Center list the two guitars as VOS and "reissue." Reissue refers to the high gloss. I think this has caused some confusion with some people but rest assured, they are all the same guitar. Again, one looks brand new and the other does not look brand new - that's the only difference. VOS costs $300 less.

Any historic Les Pauls related items/questions should be posted here. Historics & Reissues - My Les Paul Forums

Historic Customs
Standards have mahogany bodies and maple tops. Historic Customs have mahogany bodies and mahogany tops (while modern/regular Customs have maple tops). The Custom will likely weight around a pound heavier but that's about it for differences.

1968 Reissue
Another reissue that never seems to be on gibson.com is the '68RI. These are the same as the B7s, only difference is they have maple tops, different pickups and Gibson USA electronics.

R8 vs. R9
This question gets asked a lot !!
They are the same guitar. All reissues are essentially the same guitar with minor differences. These differences are neck thicknesses, pickups, weight of each individual guitar, finishes & tops. The best way to get an understanding of the neck sizes is to actually play them. Me explaining that R8s have thicker necks than R9s and R7s have thicker necks than R8s doesn't mean jack unless you sit down with the guitar and see for yourself.

R9s list for $1,500 - $2,000 more than R8s. Why? The answer is because R9s have flame maple tops and the R9 should weigh less than the R8. That's it.
Here's a great pic taken from inside Gibson's Custom Shop


Please feel free to correct any mistakes I have made and also add any info you want but let's try and keep this thread educational.
Awesome post! Thank you! Quick question: you mentioned R9's were more expensive than r8's due to flame top and weight? I just purchased a 2014 R8 pic attached below: does this flame make it a special run or possibly just a lucky R8 or perhaps it was hand picked for certain R8's? I'm sure the answer lies in this forum but as a n00b I figured this was an okay place to inquire.
 

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Wow! I'm so thrilled to return to this great forum and this is the first post I see!!! YES guitar porn is back! Thanks!
 

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I have a 1976 les paul custom that says deluxe on the back of the head stock. I can't find any other guitars that say that. Can any one help me?
 
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Thanks, tone of useful stuff.

I played a 1958 ES335 through an AC30 for some months in the early 70's. that's a long time ago. That was a great (!) sounding guitar but the neck was like a tree. This restricted repertoire to "George Harrison" rather than Eric Clapton. The later '59 changed this and the 1960 job was a slimline neck that got revised shortly afterwards to create the classic '63 onwards neck for this guitar. Everyone is different, some people have big hands.
 

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Apologies if commenting on old threads like this is bad form (I've never really used forums) but I have a question for the community. I've recently purchased a 2006 standard. I have a NGD thread on the main board with pics. Anyway. It's dated to the 2nd October (October 2nd for our colonial friends across the Atlantic ;)) Now I know that chambering began officially for the 2007 Standard line but unofficially from late 2006 and most even say October 2006. As my guitar is the 2nd October, I'm wondering if anyone has an earlier standard model that they know is chambered? I suspect mine is as it is light and rings hollow around the bass side of the body. Although only really where the 'Swiss cheese' holes would be. Before anyone jumps on this saying its overblown and it should only matter if I like the look and sound of the guitar, I agree completely and I love it. I'm just curious. Many thanks! And thanks to the OP and all the contributions to this thread, it's a wealth of knowledge.
 


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