Gibson Firebird Studio/Pelham Blue trade

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Hi all,

Possible trade in the works, I have a 09 USA Strat (sienna sunburst) that I'm willing to trade for a 11 Gibson Firebird Studio (3 p-90's) in Pelham Blue.

Anyone want to talk me out of it or should I just move forward?

The Strat is beautiful and plays great, I haven't put my paws on the Firebird yet. Only problem is I have two strats and I'm getting bored with having two of the same.

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I'd make that trade in a heartbeat! Do it and post pics. :thumb:
 

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I love strats and I love Firebirds, but i only own strats. The reason is every FB I try I can't seem to get comfortable with, it feels like the neck is a mile long. I say play the FB and if you like it trade.
 

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I own that exact guitar and can tell you she is absolutely wonderful. It was a surprise, I ordered her without having seen one, and my expectations were met and much more.

I have the baked maple neck, which is a little light in color for me, but nothing to really complain about. The guitar plays and sounds wonderful, good broad neck at the nut, a lot of fun to fingerpick with.

A lot of sounds in these guitars... you'll like most of them, I'd say. I'd make this trade in a heartbeat.

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Oops I was thinking reverse FB when I made my last post. I've never played a regular one so forget what I said.
 

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Just got a response back and I'm not willing to part w/ my Strat and the amount of $ expected in trade. My Strat and $650 is fair considering the Firebird is brand new, however the Strat is 'Like New'.

I may just sell the Strat and then purse the Firebird.

Rock on Larry Mal - the Firebird I'm referring to is exactly like yours! :dude:
 

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do the deal and you will never look back
 

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Gibson does have a special run of Reverse Firebird Studios with P-90s I believe. That's the one I would go for. And I would expect to have to pony up some cash with a Strat in order to make the deal happen.
 

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Are you sure? I thought the only current models were the Custom Shop reissues, which all have mini humbuckers, as well as the new stripped down Studios, and the non-reverse.
 
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I would definitely play the firebird first. I have to say I tried this guitar, wanted to like it, but I just did not at all. There was no neck angle, like zero, bagel, egg, nada. It was the weirdest, most uncomfortable, dare I say cheap, feeling guitar I have played in recent memory. No offense to those that like it, to each their own, but for me, it was so not what I was expecting that it really put me off. Sorry guys. Point is try before you buy...er, trade.
 

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What do you mean by neck angle? I'm not trying to challenge you or anything... I just don't understand. Compared to a typical Gibson? Or a Firebird reverse?

It's got to be much more than a Stratocaster.
 

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Oh, OK. Those are pretty intriguing, actually... good to see Gibson taking interest in Firebirds again, and it's working, because I find myself answering questions about them fairly commonly now. Not like I'm any kind of Firebird expert, I bought the only two I've ever owned within the last two years. But I enjoy talking about them.

Anyway, back to the non-reverse Firebird Studio, I thought I would talk about it a little more. When I first got the guitar, I was struck by how easy playing it was. I found myself fingerpicking on it a lot, like I would an acoustic.

I later came to find out that it's not inaccurate, I later got a Casino and just could not bond with it, because the Casino has a neck that is very narrow as measured across the nut. The Casino is a full three millimeters narrower across the nut than the Firebirds, and the reason I measured this was because I want an ES-330, and wanted to make sure that the ES was more broad than the Casino (it will be).

So, the Firebird Studio has what seems to be Gibson's broadest neck as measured across the nut, which I like. But it certainly can be more broad than what you might find on a Stratocaster, is the point I'm making here. Only by a millimeter or so, but still.

The neck itself is a very slim neck, pretty much the same as what I'd associate with a 60's style slim-taper neck, although to my knowledge Gibson isn't calling it that. Very comfortable neck.

As far as the angle of the neck from the body, it seems to be pretty similar to what I have on my reverse body Firebird V (the 2010 model). I only mention this not to be disagreeable, but because it might be possible to find a V to play beforehand, which is less likely to be the case with one of these models.

The electronics are pretty complex, with all the coil tapping and phase switching and all the pickups. I don't mention that at all when I talk about this guitar, because I haven't really explored it all yet.

So, that's my description of the guitar. I'd trade away almost any Strat for one of these, really. There are Strats around everywhere. If something fell out of the sky and killed you, it would likely be a Strat. But these guitars are rare, may or may not be collectible, but certainly something you won't be seeing a lot of.
 

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What do you mean by neck angle? I'm not trying to challenge you or anything... I just don't understand. Compared to a typical Gibson? Or a Firebird reverse?

It's got to be much more than a Stratocaster.
Owning both a strat and a Firebird, the angles are comparable... as far as I can see. But it is true that the FB may have a case of head-dive.
 

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And I suppose I'll put up the pictures of this guitar, maybe that'll be helpful in your decision somehow:

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And, of course, if there's anything you actually want to see or know, let me know, and I'll get that for you.
 

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You can see the neck angle on this page- hit "Specs" and then you can enlarge one of the other smaller pictures above the text, one will show you the angle very clearly.

Gibson.com: Gibson Firebird Studio Non-Reverse

It's nothing huge, but seems pretty standard for Gibson. A Strat, without Micro-Tilt or a shim, is just straight off the body of the guitar, or am I incorrect?

Regarding the head dive, yeah, that is an issue with this guitar, less so than on the reverse style Firebirds. Still there, though.

And of course, you would really want to play this guitar before making the trade if you can. I'm just acknowledging that you likely can't, and trying to be helpful in some way.
 
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Looks like I stand corrected on the neck angle, thanks for the link Larry. To me when I played it felt like there was no angle on the neck, it probably was just a perception I had when all the elements of the guitar lined up. To me that's what it felt like, like the neck was just perfectly straight in alignment with the body. It was a very weird and awkward feeling for me, which was a bummer because aesthetically I really like the guitar, also love P90's so I really did want to like it, but that's just me, doesn't mean it would feel awkward for everyone, and from this thread, that much is clear. There's a lot of love for that guitar here. The wide neck, which I did notice as well, may have played a part a little bit in the overall awkwardness for me. That said I am very comfortable playing fenders, and have never thought twice about a neck angle before, but on this guitar I had that thought, "oh! this is why neck angles are important." I also wondered to myself why they would design a guitar like that, but clearly there is an angle there. Perhaps it's just not as pronounced as on other models?
 

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Well, you are correct, as it turns out. The Firebird reverse that I have is angled at five degrees, the non-reverse that we are discussing is angled at only 3.25 degrees. The new Les Paul Standard is also angled at 5 degrees. The Custom Shop reissue ES-330 that I am looking at is at 4 degrees. So the non-reverse Studio is less angled than probably most Gibsons.

My understanding is, only bolt on necks can be set straight out from the guitar, because you can always shim them later or use something like Fender's Micro-Tilt. This will allow you to get low action if you want it at any time.

But a glued in neck is pretty much set in stone, you can only adjust the action by the bridge, and if that doesn't get it for you- and on some of my Fenders it hasn't- then there's nowhere to go. But angling the neck off will make the guitar versatile for your low action needs.

So yeah, if you are used to most Gibsons, I can see how you'd find it to be different. Also, Firebirds are a little different in perspective anyway, the bodies are large and it seems like the necks come off the guitar differently than other more typical guitars. I've had a few people tell me that it seems they have to change where they would typically strum on my 'Birds compared to what they are used to. I don't notice it, but there you have it.

Thanks for verifying the wide neck! I wasn't sure if that was typical with these models. Too bad you didn't like it. Have you tried out a reverse Firebird?
 

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